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dkf

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Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:05 AM Jul 2012

Mass murderers often not mentally ill, but seeking revenge, experts say [View all]

Those who commit mass murders are often angry and isolated, but usually aren't mentally ill, violence experts said Friday after a shooting during the midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater. James Holmes was arrested as a suspect in the shooting that killed 12 people and wounded 59 others.

“It takes a certain degree of clear-headedness to plan and execute a crime like this,” said James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University in Boston, who has written several books on mass murder and school violence.

There are exceptions – Jared Loughner, who shot and killed six people in Arizona in 2011, gravely injuring then-member of Congress Gabrielle Giffords, was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Mental health experts say people with mental illness are not any more likely than anyone else to become violent, however.

Mass murderers “often times feel that they are right and everybody else is wrong,” Fox said in a telephone interview. “They really tend to externalize blame, to see other people as responsible for their problems."

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Not to disagree with an expert, but... HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #1
Agreed, but... Ty Templeton Jul 2012 #3
I gather the laws vary from state to state. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #17
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read Nostradammit Jul 2012 #2
I agree. nt Quixote1818 Jul 2012 #28
I agree also. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #33
So murdering total strangers for no good reason is defined as adequate mental health ? steve2470 Jul 2012 #4
what's a "good reason"? george bush said they had WMD? HiPointDem Jul 2012 #7
he was a liar and no, it was not a good reason steve2470 Jul 2012 #8
 “They really tend to externalize blame, to see other people as responsible for their problems." TomClash Jul 2012 #5
I wouldn't equate "not mentally ill" with "engages in acceptable behavior" caraher Jul 2012 #6
Thank you for making sense JonLP24 Jul 2012 #10
All very true. The tipoff for me was that his mom, a nurse, seemed to know immediately that it Nay Jul 2012 #13
Great, you've described 95% of DU, but we don't shoot people. Especially kids. DCKit Jul 2012 #9
Is evil a form of mental illness? tclambert Jul 2012 #11
Some people find evil gives them a 'high' Mimosa Jul 2012 #16
I think they are both mentally ill and seeking revenge. DCBob Jul 2012 #12
Agree. nt Quixote1818 Jul 2012 #29
definitional morass amfortas the hippie Jul 2012 #14
I haven't seen any stated motive yet. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #15
James Alan Fox is clearly a Fucking Fool cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #18
Competence and an insanity defense are different things DefenseLawyer Jul 2012 #20
Ah that makes sense on the angle Fox would like to establish. dkf Jul 2012 #23
There is an entire cottage industry DefenseLawyer Jul 2012 #19
I think in this case, it could be true. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #21
So you think he blamed a movie audience for that, and took his revenge? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #22
He blames "society" for that. dkf Jul 2012 #24
As I said...I don't know what set him off. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #27
Bull hockey! down is up Jul 2012 #25
They may not all have Axis 1 levels of mental illness but Axis 2 and 4 might be likely aikoaiko Jul 2012 #26
Not long ago, someone who is no longer with us got upset when I said that personality disorders... slackmaster Jul 2012 #31
Since when is a criminal justice professor qualified to diagnose mental illness? slackmaster Jul 2012 #30
Perhaps seeking 'revenge' on strangers is indicative of mental illness cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #32
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