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Lurks Often

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34. I was responding to a poster attempting to minimize the allegations as just being

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:07 AM

Dec 2017

"being hands-y in public".

As I replied to another poster (Post 19):

The allegations of sexual assault are for groping of breasts and ass as well as the allegation of an unwanted open mouth kiss with the his tongue in another person's mouth. That is sexual assault and is a crime in many, if not most, states.

Is Franken guilty of these allegations? We don't know right now. It could be an attempt from the right to smear him or it could be true and his accusers are coming forward encouraged by the current wave of allegations against politicians, entertainers and other people involved in the entertainment and media industries and the support being given to the accusers.

Will people here accept definitive evidence of sexual assault by Franken IF SUCH EVIDENCE EXISTS or will they continue to deny even definitive evidence?

I stated in a different post on 11/16 that "the trickle of allegations became a stream and the stream became a flood and that sexual assault and sexual harassment is unacceptable no matter who it does it.

There are going to be more allegations in the future against people we hate and people we like. I suspect many of these allegations will be true, but how do we decide if the allegations are true or lies designed to destroy people's careers and damage their lives?"

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CNN reporting 5th accuser comes forward against Al Franken [View all] dewsgirl Nov 2017 OP

It seriously is a tragedy. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #1

If the allegation is true, then it is sexual assault, not being "being hands-y in public" Lurks Often Nov 2017 #3

But there's also a false equivalency happening forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #4

Of course there are different levels, but it is STILL sexual assault Lurks Often Nov 2017 #6

Not when it is a lie... consider the bullshit...they want Franken gone..the right wing don't Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #14

The photo is not the allegation of sexual assault Lurks Often Nov 2017 #19

Then if it's a crime, as you've jumped so quickly to convict on very bare evidence, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #25

I have not convicted anyone, these are allegations Lurks Often Dec 2017 #30

You'd be more convincing if you hadn't written above: Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #31

I was responding to a poster attempting to minimize the allegations as just being Lurks Often Dec 2017 #34

By the same token, if you object to minimizing the allegations, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #35

Agreed and I've tried to be clear in stating these were allegations and nothing has been proven Lurks Often Dec 2017 #37

Well, the past few weeks have seen me beat back against the more extreme Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #39

"unprovable allegations, some anonymous, and some that are pure innuendo." Lurks Often Dec 2017 #40

It's not so new, really! Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #45

No, not new, but the 24/7 news cycle and social media are making it much more visible Lurks Often Dec 2017 #46

No argument here. n/t Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #47

This!!!! Getting it right Cordy Dec 2017 #49

I don't see any comparison at all in the op, or the article Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #10

Without getting into Franken's guilt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #33

Of course not, but I don't classify a non-violent touch in public as "assault". forgotmylogin Dec 2017 #44

Matt Lauer was fired. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #32

Could we say "accuser" instead of "victim?" Or have we already convicted Senator Franken? Glorfindel Nov 2017 #2

+1 (n/t) forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #5

Yes, that would have been better. dewsgirl Nov 2017 #11

Yet in the photo his hand is no where near her breast Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #7

She said she turned to the side to move his hand off Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #8

With a big grin on her face Egnever Nov 2017 #13

I've spent more than a decade working with survivors of sexual abuse and rape. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #20

Well here is the flip side Egnever Nov 2017 #21

Thank you for offering an explanation other than equating the fact Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #22

Sounds like you are condemning him for his refusal to call women liars. Egnever Dec 2017 #24

He didn't grope everyone is another of those classic 60s-style attacks Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #28

Well I would say this statement erases any ambiguity. Egnever Dec 2017 #29

Trumpkins say a lot of things. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #16

So what's your argument? Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #48

Unless her body is actually facing to the left side of that pic... Orrex Nov 2017 #9

Her story isn't possible gratuitous Nov 2017 #17

I can guarantee you that unless she turned around.... quickesst Dec 2017 #27

More bullshit. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #12

Get your picture with any public figure, in public, and make an accusation against them. It's OnDoutside Nov 2017 #18

If I were a politician...I would refuse all pics from this day forward. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #42

Or at least hands joined in front of them. It's a sad world. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #43

Welcome to DU...also...oh and they have another anonymous report who is supposedly elected Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #15

He kissed her on the cheek Nevernose Dec 2017 #23

I am with you...these are right wing lies...and they just want to get rid of an effective Dem Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #41

So, let's say there is a sort-of celebrity(not a movie star)and you AJT Dec 2017 #26

such bs bdamomma Dec 2017 #36

Completely. dewsgirl Dec 2017 #38