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PatrickforO

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7. I think he's talking about the 38 senators who folded like cheap lawn chairs
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:45 PM
Dec 2017

because they were afraid supporting Franken in his time of need, when he was clearly being smeared in a right-wing hit job, would cause them to become targets of Republican mudslinging.

I think he's wondering, as I do, what these people actually do stand for. What is their vision? And please don't refer me to their websites. What someone DOES is far more telling than what they say. And I must look at this 'zero tolerance' (zero common sense) witch hunt of Al Franken as a stark betrayal of what I consider basic morality and common decency.

I'm really, really mad about this, and the people I'm talking to here in my state are feeling pretty bad about it too. There's some serious blowback for these people from the base.

I mean, how can we possibly win elections if we don't stand for something and then stick by that even if the going gets tough. Swaying in the political wind does NOT earn votes. It does NOT win elections. I remind you that 41% of voters are independents, and that of the 80 million strong millennial generation, about 70% believe we need a third party. The failure of our party's leadership to set the vision for the future and then have the courage to stand by that vision isn't earning any votes from any of these people.

Yes, Dems are better than Republicans. But you know what? I'm so appalled right now at these Senators, and at Tom Perez, that I could spit nails. No guts.

You know who DOES have guts, and DOES deserve respect? The 58 Democratic Representatives, including members of the Black Caucus, who voted FOR the articles of impeachment while ignoring Pelosi and Hoyer telling them 'now isn't the time.'

Because if not now, what IS the time?

Al Franken was a strong voice, a needed voice, a voice that actually cared about his constituents. Story after story, he went all out for them. A genuinely good man. Then an attempt by the right wing to smear him, instead of earning a vigorous 'fuck you' from the Democratic leadership and the party rank and file instead results in the very people we trust and look to for leadership jettisoning all common sense and common decency and railroading him out of office.

I think that might be what he's talking about. Because where were ANY of these 38 voices, and HOW OFTEN were any of these 38 voices heard demanding Roy Moore step down from his race in Alabama, or that Trump step down as president because of the FAR MORE numerous and FAR MORE credible allegations against them. Trump's on video, for God's sake, saying he can just grab women by their genitalia anytime he wants. How is it these same 'zero tolerance' people aren't pounding on that at least once a day?

Instead we have to be quiet. We have to be quiet because if we rock the boat it might hurt our fight against the tax scam. If we rock the boat, it might bog us down so we blah, blah, blah. People want vision. They want the people they vote for to set that vision, to be decent, to stand for something.

And bathroommonkey, this ain't it.

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I guess it is against Forum rules [View all] Motownman78 Dec 2017 OP
Which side are you talking about? bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #1
I think he's talking about the 38 senators who folded like cheap lawn chairs PatrickforO Dec 2017 #7
Wow, PatrickforO! bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #8
no matter what Break time Dec 2017 #10
Totally, fellow Patrick, snort Dec 2017 #13
Well said! Luciferous Dec 2017 #14
What's the context? GP6971 Dec 2017 #2
No trashing Dems. TDale313 Dec 2017 #3
yep..this isn't a free speech zone questionseverything Dec 2017 #4
Nope; only if somene doesn't like you or care for your views! Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Motownman78 Dec 2017 #6
You just killed this thread GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #9
Politics is not the same as the legal system. Kaleva Dec 2017 #11
Partisan interpretations are definitely part of this issue BlueWI Dec 2017 #12
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