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Crunchy Frog

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86. I'm furious with Gillibrand.

Tue Dec 12, 2017, 02:44 PM

Dec 2017

I don't consider myself sexist (I'm a woman if that makes any difference).

I'm not upset with her for acting like a politician, or for going after power, I'm upset because she did it by stomping on the face of a fellow Dem.

I'm more upset with her than her colleagues because she chose to position herself as the ringleader. I would be just as upset with any man who did the same. I don't think it's feminist to go easy on someone just because they're female.

No matter the number, accusations that are highly questionable and mostly anonymous don't equal guilt. Or do you not think the R smear machine is capable of producing numbers of those sorts of accusations?

I hope the posters currently gloating over Franken's demise will be happy if, next year, we have Senator Pawlenty instead.

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The Sexist Skewering of Kirsten Gillibrand [View all] VermontKevin Dec 2017 OP

This. All of this. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2017 #1

I don't think that she is "craven" or anything like that Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #2

8 spurious allegations? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #4

Yes Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #25

He chose to resign and stop the investigation. Only he can do that. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #27

After he was attacked and was given no wasupaloopa Dec 2017 #30

He chose to end the Senate probe. Was he supposed to force the Ethics panel to call VermontKevin Dec 2017 #36

There was no Senate probe. Stop making shit up. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #157

I'm not saying no women did. I'm asking you how many is your threshold. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #159

What is yours? Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #198

I think mine is the same as Franken's. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #199

Your reply makes no sense. Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #200

Well, he resigned. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #201

So if he resigns when Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #259

Well said Jakes Progress. Owl Dec 2017 #176

Well said. n/t BlueWI Dec 2017 #195

Exactly! Butterflylady Dec 2017 #278

Well true Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #32

That's precisely my point. Franken knew that once it went to 8 accusers, he was a VermontKevin Dec 2017 #37

8 unfounded accusers. Butterflylady Dec 2017 #279

Riiiight workinclasszero Dec 2017 #84

Excellent post ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #118

Really good post. Most people don't realize the election is in 2018 (in 11 months) JimBeard Dec 2017 #238

When will you stop lying? He has not resigned yet. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #103

Was his speech announcing his impending resignation unclear? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #104

Not at all, but it seems to have confused you. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #110

Well, apparently Governor Dayton is confused, too: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #114

Stop deflecting. The question is when are you going to stop lying? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #153

Tomorrow, the Governor you voted for is naming Franken's replacement. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #175

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #180

Here we go. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #203

You must be crazy if you think I'm going to click a blind link from you. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #204

Lordy, lordy.... it's a link to the site you are posting on. Blind? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #205

According to you... Why the fuck would I click a link in a Greek domain? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #206

It's a post from Democratic Underground. From a DUer. Stop....hold on...stay in control..... VermontKevin Dec 2017 #209

It's a Greek domain, If that is how you see DU, you ain't in Vermont... Thor_MN Dec 2017 #210

It's a post from a DU regular on Twitter. It got over 70 recs. Here's another one: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #211

.gr is a Greek domain. I don't need to cross continents to see DU. Maybe you do. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #214

OMG....DU IS A GREEK FRONT!!!!!!!! Note the link.... VermontKevin Dec 2017 #215

Yeah, if I copy the link location and paste: Thor_MN Dec 2017 #224

Apparently, DU admin routes through Greece. Maybe we are all in on it. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #227

That IS weird, and could do with some explaining. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #213

Twitter, and Du are Greek fronts, apparently.... VermontKevin Dec 2017 #216

It would be nice to get a straight answer to your question above, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #219

I can't make you read what is posted to you. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #220

Braver than me. I don't trust blind links from people that attack Democrats. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #218

Put it this way, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #222

This is DU's admin. Apparently using the same 'greek front' I am. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #225

It's a shortened DU link provided by the Admins tammywammy Dec 2017 #247

Thanks. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #249

This is DU's admin. Apparently using the same 'greek front' I am. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #223

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #226

Well, it proves you don't understand Twitter, the Internet, and you are still sore I corrected your VermontKevin Dec 2017 #228

It proves that you are either not in the US, or are running a severly hacked OS. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #229

Oh, dear....I guess DU admin isn't in America according to you? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #232

My, you have no idea how the internet works do you? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #233

I copied Twitter. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #234

You copied what your browser sees, which is a Greek URL. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #235

"your corrected a 'typo'" Apparently you didn't. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #236

Ah, so you use Tor to hide your true location... Thor_MN Dec 2017 #237

Well, "Thor," on the Internet, no one knows I am a cat. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #260

It's a shortened DU link provided by the Admins tammywammy Dec 2017 #246

Let's not bring facts into this. I'd much rather have Thor think I was some Soros operative VermontKevin Dec 2017 #261

Interesting that you would pick a liberal philanthropist, very interesting. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #266

So we've moved on from accusing me of being in Greece, then? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #270

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #119

No. He was told no one would work with him Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #196

This is truth. I've seen appalling attacks on her here as well. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #3

I saw her called the B word. Yes I alerted on it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #6

"Bitter feminist". nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #8

No, the word that rhymes with switch. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #9

I understand. I have seen her called "bitter feminist" just today. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #10

Yeah, and her first name is Karma meow2u3 Dec 2017 #18

Good for you.. whathehell Dec 2017 #184

You don't have to be a hero to alert on someone calling a woman the B word. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #187

I agree -- I alerted on it as well. n/t. whathehell Dec 2017 #189

I feel like there's only a handful of people here defending Gillibrand from these attacks. Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #28

You're not alone, and I am just as disturbed, because it does seem to be so few. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #31

What did you expect...most of us think it is a right wing put up job. And either Sen.Gillibrand Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #97

It can't possibly be Dorian Gray Dec 2017 #231

No. It was a right wing hit job...and even if every word reported about Sen. Franken is true, it Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #264

How's this? trump's attach against her is wrong, as was her leading the charge against... brush Dec 2017 #127

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left" whathehell Dec 2017 #185

Lovely, we have a child molester running in Alabama and a GOP House rep that used tax payer money to Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #265

I have seen 'attacks' on folks including me because I said I would not vote for her in a primary... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #105

I was alert on too from the JimBeard Dec 2017 #240

That is very kind of you to say. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #276

Yep..I anticipated that, which is one reason I avoided the "pile on" whathehell Dec 2017 #143

Yes in this very thread. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #217

Al couches his words. Basically 'since I have been a Senator' no one can accuse me of...' nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #255

Good luck with that Egnever Dec 2017 #5

8 charges though, right? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #7

Yes EffieBlack Dec 2017 #16

So, when Franken realized that having a Senate Ethics investigation on 8 charges would be VermontKevin Dec 2017 #23

Who says I disagreed with him? EffieBlack Dec 2017 #67

That is not what happened. He was waiting for the investigation when he was forced out by what 34 Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #98

His own conduct forced him out. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #101

Sorry...I haven't seen conduct that warranted that... Tweeden is a liar...and a Hannity buddy... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #107

He was waiting when it was one accusation. I am curious about an investigation of 8, the difference. MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #301

Bad judgement in my opinion. And we have no guarantee when McConnell will seat the replacement if at Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #318

Good Post JimBeard Dec 2017 #241

if a number is your gauge then you have lost me Egnever Dec 2017 #19

So, you think having a Senate Ethics investigation over conduct the Senator has already apologized VermontKevin Dec 2017 #21

Your response tells me everything I need to know Egnever Dec 2017 #24

I listened to Franken. In his resignation, he indicated that continuing to be a Senator, and VermontKevin Dec 2017 #26

As a Minnesota voter Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #43

Franken stopped the Ethics Committee. His choice. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #51

I know Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #62

Touching someone's waist is not groping kcr Dec 2017 #34

And you are missing the point. After 8 accusations, you apparently expect the VermontKevin Dec 2017 #38

I'm not missing anything. In fact, you're confirming exactly what I've been claiming. kcr Dec 2017 #39

So all 8 are lying? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #82

I'll answer the "all 8" question with another question... The Polack MSgt Dec 2017 #90

Key letters being "M" , "H", and "O". nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2017 #95

I will speak for KCR since one of the Gestapo squad invoked censorship by alert. JimBeard Dec 2017 #242

So you are comfortable with the two righties? and the rest are anonymous? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #106

I'll let Anita Hill speak for me on this one: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #108

What an unconvincing argument...completely different...can't answer the question I guess. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #109

Anita Hill made an unconvincing argument on categorizing sexism politically? ANITA HILL? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #112

Ancient history and a red herring...let's talk about the here and now. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #116

Anita Hill is ANCIENT HISTORY????? Somebody better alert the media who are interviewing her now: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #121

Why can't you discuss what we have now? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #171

We have Clarence Thomas now, VermontKevin Dec 2017 #174

apples and oranges...that. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #277

Yes. That's how it's done. What's hard to understand about that. It's called due process. brush Dec 2017 #128

Which Franken called a halt to. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #129

Yeah, right. Another empty argument of yours, as is the preoccupation with the number 8. brush Dec 2017 #134

Not empty at all. It's called fact. It's a difficult one, but there it is. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #136

Waist groping is a fact? Yeah, right. brush Dec 2017 #138

Resigning is a fact. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #139

Empty again, huh? I get it, nothing to defend of Dems forcing another Dem out. brush Dec 2017 #142

Actually I am defending a Democratic Senator. Just not the one you were hoping for. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #147

Inconveniently for you, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #146

The Governor announces his replacement tomorrow. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #148

And yet again, in like lightning you go. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #150

Forgive me for reporting fact. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #151

I won't forgive you for conveniently ignoring the fact that Franken hasn't yet resigned. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #152

He can't replace a Senator that has not resigned, stop lying. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #154

Seriously dude....it's all over the news... VermontKevin Dec 2017 #156

Seriously dude, a Senator that has not resigned can not be replaced. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #160

Thanks. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #161

I think you meant "your employers" when you impugned my writing skills. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #162

Leaving the questions unanswered. When will you stop lying? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #165

Tell us all how defense of Kirsten Gillibrand is anti-Democratic. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #173

Remedial English again? Go back and read your posts in this OP. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #181

It's a funny defense of one Democratic senator that relies on smearing another. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #182

I think Kevin is working out of Heir der Braun's office. JimBeard Dec 2017 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author JimBeard Dec 2017 #244

This Lotusflower70 Dec 2017 #58

If they were "charges", there'd be due process. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #169

Franken himself shut down the Senate inquiry. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #177

No, he didn't, and quit avoiding the points people make to you over and over. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #179

No. One charge proven to be a lie Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Tipperary Dec 2017 #11

You are in the wrong OP. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #15

Ah yes, indeed I am. Thank you. I will delete and stop multi-tasking lol. Tipperary Dec 2017 #22

So? ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #12

On 8 charges, though, right? Tunnel vision on 8 charges? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #13

For someone so hung up on numbers, how about 12 months? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #35

+1 leftstreet Dec 2017 #40

Ahem....This came out before Franken. The other half are paying attention: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #42

And it says that she called for Trump's resignation for sexual misconduct where, exactly? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #49

Well, I am sure you will hold every other Senator to the same standard. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #56

Now a version of "Both sides do it" That's a sad Republican ploy... Thor_MN Dec 2017 #65

LOL tone deaf leftstreet Dec 2017 #50

Lordy....obviously you didn't keep up with female Resistance: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #41

She said fuck twice and remained silent on calling for Trump's resignation due to sexual misconduct. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #64

I am sure you are furiously researching the other 32 Senators, males included, to VermontKevin Dec 2017 #66

Not very original, you already used that ploy in your other post. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #72

She still looks a bit pudgy in that YouTube JimBeard Dec 2017 #245

Two Charges ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #81

You keep on with the number 8. Well the first one is a Hannity/Stone pal and the last one... brush Dec 2017 #133

Indeed. Now you are debating numbers. What is your threshold, then? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #137

I just told you. ONE investigation. Got it? Gillibrand forced him out before that happened. brush Dec 2017 #140

No one forced him out. He made choices. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #149

Even you don't believe that, but keep fooling yourself. brush Dec 2017 #164

With DU right at the front of it Sailor65x1 Dec 2017 #14

What has it told you? BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #20

That Gillibrand knocked two men out of 2020. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #29

I know you hate Franken, but who is the other? BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #33

Bernie. Her "crimes" can't be attacked without bringing up his. Hortensis Dec 2017 #45

Bernie? Really? Why? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #46

For the exact same reason as Gillibrand. Hortensis Dec 2017 #61

There is where you are wrong. Male and female Senators held to the accountability for the same VermontKevin Dec 2017 #69

:) What you're suggesting would be a grave insult Hortensis Dec 2017 #76

I would gravely insult no one. No one. No male, no female. For the same vote. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #141

:) Hortensis Dec 2017 #144

We know you hate Gillibrand, but who do you think? nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #48

I think you're trying a little too hard. That's what I think. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #53

... LexVegas Dec 2017 #55

... BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #57

Trump of course. Who did you think? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #60

Gillibrand knocked Trump out of the 2020 race? BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #63

Well, who were you thinking? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #71

I'm thinking it's hilarious that you believe that. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #74

Some different white man. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #75

An author of a seminal work on gender. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #313

Very good article. This is what it is about and what the conversation will be. MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #17

Yeah Im done with it. ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #47

+1000 nt brer cat Dec 2017 #117

Excellent. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2017 #256

Uh snort Dec 2017 #52

She was basically called a whore by Trump today crazycatlady Dec 2017 #70

I'm glad a publication like Cosmo is covering politics crazycatlady Dec 2017 #54

I stood with Hillary, love Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren, I stand with Franken ebbie15644 Dec 2017 #59

Harris and Warren called for Franken to resign. LexVegas Dec 2017 #68

35 Democratic Senators and two Independent Senators, correct? Not, one. Nt MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #78

Yep. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #79

A woman that has used her career speaking out against harassment/women's issues. Nt MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #80

I can easily stand with Franken and with open mind, see the truth about Gillibrand. MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #77

I just know who I'll vote for and who I won't and leave it at that ebbie15644 Dec 2017 #93

She is going to come out very well taking on Trump. Hoyt Dec 2017 #73

well Ms. Gillibrand bdamomma Dec 2017 #89

I have long felt we'd be much better off with a majority of women in Congress, and as Prez. Hoyt Dec 2017 #120

She won't. It is useless...we tried that in 16...he is in the white House. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #102

I think Senator Franken bdamomma Dec 2017 #190

You are right is was a right wing hit job. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #263

Good intelligent post JimBeard Dec 2017 #248

Great op JHan Dec 2017 #83

Yup ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #100

This sheshe2 Dec 2017 #111

I agree with you and feel the same. Nt MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #123

I don't automatically believe anyone with a vagina either nini Dec 2017 #85

Good Post JimBeard Dec 2017 #250

I'm furious with Gillibrand. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #86

Exactly. Owl Dec 2017 #178

Keep going Kirsten! Ive got your back and I want you to be president DemRage Dec 2017 #87

That kind of blind sided attack Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #163

+100000. #BelieveWomen means investigate womens accusations BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #193

Are you calling those of who disagree with you misogynistic........... JimBeard Dec 2017 #251

The fact is, Al did this to HIMSELF DonCoquixote Dec 2017 #88

Wont make us any different than the TrumpCult, IMO. justiceischeap Dec 2017 #91

Then she should go after Claire McCaskill dflprincess Dec 2017 #254

In any other environment Franken likely survives. He gave his enemies a cudgel and they used it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #92

I am a feminist and a woman...and I don't like how the Franken thing was handled...and Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #94

As a feminist and a man I don't fault women for men's conduct. I don't fault the accusers VermontKevin Dec 2017 #99

You have to face facts...this is a right wing hit job. The GOP will be back for more of our folks... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #113

Yep this is not the first time Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #126

And as usual.. kwalter66 Dec 2017 #131

Sorry, I don't like her. BlueStater Dec 2017 #96

this Owl Dec 2017 #172

When one Democrat takes a cheap shot at another Democrat they are fair game for criticism! FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #115

Yes. As long as you critique her Senate peers equally. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #122

I actually am irritated with all of them...but you do not have to feel that all are equally culpable Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #281

If her end game was to throw Franken under the bus to get trump to resign Alea Dec 2017 #124

Maybe she is being annoyingly principled regardless of party lines. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #125

I hope so Alea Dec 2017 #145

See you think that would be a good thing...but in the age of Trump...we can't afford principles that Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #280

We can't afford principles "like that?" Please list the principles you feel the Democratic Party VermontKevin Dec 2017 #290

"regardless of party lines". We cannot afford to have our elected sit in judgement of each other bas Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #320

replying to you... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #319

"If her end game was to throw Franken under the bus to get trump to resign .... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #168

Absolutely Alea Dec 2017 #186

Thank you, VermontKevin DesertRat Dec 2017 #130

Attacking the female instead of all, including males, crosses party lines. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #132

Meh...identity isnt everything and all criticism isnt identity-based BeyondGeography Dec 2017 #135

What is your identity that you've shed? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #158

Derp BeyondGeography Dec 2017 #166

So, if I accused you of being a white male, talking about identity, would I be wrong? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #170

No one deserves an undeserved skewering! ananda Dec 2017 #155

And when they come for Jakes Progress Dec 2017 #167

Funny thing. Although I never heard about her remarks attacking Clinton before mn9driver Dec 2017 #183

I don't think all 8 accusers are lying, either Progressive dog Dec 2017 #188

Or possibly Matt_R Dec 2017 #191

If this was a Male Senator who had led the witchhunt to force Franken to resign, the backlash would OnDoutside Dec 2017 #192

She made the wrong call. Whatever her reasons, thats what it looks like to me. TCJ70 Dec 2017 #194

Franken 110liberal Dec 2017 #202

Thank You JimBeard Dec 2017 #212

Yeah... no. XRubicon Dec 2017 #207

Thanks for your post JonLP24 Dec 2017 #208

Sexism and Misogyny Are Bipartisan TomCADem Dec 2017 #221

I'll pass ......I hope Hillary finds it in her Hart to run for the senate again ........ stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #230

You got it JimBeard Dec 2017 #252

Cosmopolitan magazine. Really? Lol. ms liberty Dec 2017 #239

Did Helen quite being a Brown Girlie? JimBeard Dec 2017 #253

Gillibrand is being "skewered" ... NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #257

+1000 great comment, Nance. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #258

Tell me how this comment isn't sexist: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #262

"Goody" is a "gender-specific word"?! Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #267

Arthur Miller wept. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #269

Keep mansplaining, dude. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #271

So you've figured out your mistake? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #272

Keep mansplaining to Nance Greggs, if she can be bothered with you. Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #273

I didn't have to read Nance's mind. Like me, Nance obviously is familiar with VermontKevin Dec 2017 #274

Well, if I was so inclined, I could refer to you as "Goody Kevin". Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #275

Well, you could call me that. You could then explain why you would use a female term to refer VermontKevin Dec 2017 #286

Because you've cooked up an imaginary universe of readily clutched offense Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #300

"Slam Dunk" goodbye Kevin JimBeard Dec 2017 #303

It has a male counterpart. kcr Dec 2017 #284

I think you're right! David__77 Dec 2017 #285

Yes. It does have a male counterpart. That doesn't negate the use of the female term as an insult. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #287

But it isn't an insult because it's a female insult as you are trying to imply. kcr Dec 2017 #289

It is an insult to imply a woman is a Puritan because she objects to non-consensual touching. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #291

It could arguably be those things. But it isn't sexist. kcr Dec 2017 #292

So if Clarence Thomas said "Goody Anita Hill" in a description of her, VermontKevin Dec 2017 #293

I think in that context they would wonder why the hell he was calling her that? kcr Dec 2017 #294

Ms. Hill and her supporters were accused of being Neo-Puritans at the time. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #296

Ok. Very nice. But you asked what DUers would think if Thomas himself called her that. kcr Dec 2017 #297

Implying a woman is a prude because she objects to unwanted contact is sexist. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #298

You're the one making that implication, VermontKevin kcr Dec 2017 #299

The funny thing is that as I stated in the OP, I don't have to believe all the women. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #308

You have a funny way of expressing that. kcr Dec 2017 #310

Anita Hill expresses it best: VermontKevin Dec 2017 #311

Did you ever read about the Salem witch trials? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #282

Yes. Thus my reference to Miller. Accusing a female of Puritanism whilst VermontKevin Dec 2017 #288

+1 ICAM lunamagica Dec 2017 #268

Love the post Nance...great allusion to the Salem witch trials... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #283

Wait..."mass hysteria?" This gets better. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #295

Most certainly hysteria and in some cases revenge... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #316

You have concluded #metoo is the baring of torches to burn the witch? I have heard everything, now. MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #302

Actually, it's the same old shit. I'm old enough to remember the Anita Hill hearings. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #312

Don't put words in my mouth...but the accusations against prominent journalist and Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #315

Yes, its the same as hysteria that led to lynch mobs. Actions caused by reaction to propaganda JimBeard Dec 2017 #304

Well, we all know who complained about the "high-tech lynch mob" against him. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #305

Just referring to actions, not specifics. JimBeard Dec 2017 #306

Yeah. I'm guessing you realized that invoking Clarence Thomas was in poor taste. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #309

Hysterical women assaulted and harassed are the racists, lynching? MikeydaDog Dec 2017 #314

Exactly. No one should be brought down by unproven accusations. And those that Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #317

Happy to kick this! mcar Dec 2017 #307

No dembotoz Dec 2017 #321