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GaryCnf

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55. Look at your own graphic

Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:36 PM

Dec 2017

The gender gap between black men and black women was about 5%. That is virtually a 1:1 correlation based on race.

The "race gap" between white women and black women was 58%.

IF gender-specific issues were a/the major factor in how black women vote, either the gender gap between the way men and women in our community vote would be greater than 5% OR the "race gap" between white women and black women would be RADICALLY smaller.

Oh, btw, relying on those gender-specific issues in 2016 gave the Democratic Party 60,000 less votes in Wayne County, Michigan in 2016 than it got in 2012 (also known as losing 45,000 more votes in a single county in Michigan to a statistically-unsound . . . and dare I say disrespectful of us as a unique community with unique interests . . . political theory than we lost to Jill Stein across all of Michigan combined).

Doug Jones did what we need to do in every election.

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When Do We Start To Listen To Black Women Instead of Expecting Them To Clean Up Our Mess? [View all] VermontKevin Dec 2017 OP

That last tweet really nails it oberliner Dec 2017 #1

Truth n/t Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #4

Maybe the NYTimes can stop writing about Nazis I don't give a shit about VermontKevin Dec 2017 #6

More diversity would help oberliner Dec 2017 #11

I can't think of one article. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #14

AMEN!! rsong71 Dec 2017 #78

Black women have power right now and need to use it. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #2

We need to do this now! mcar Dec 2017 #3

Another divisive post. Edited to promote understanding of POV. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #5

Kindly tell us all how, exactly, this is "divisive." VermontKevin Dec 2017 #10

It's not divisive, it's giving credit to people rainlillie Dec 2017 #16

Well, it's divisive if you think that the choices Black women made are wrong. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #21

That is not what I said at all. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #37

The OP assumes some special wisdom comes with color. Hortensis Dec 2017 #50

What a great post...very eloquent. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #66

I would argue that the "special wisdom" is linked to past, present and future experiences. In retread Dec 2017 #83

You can enjoy that idea all you want, but I'm not buying the Hortensis Dec 2017 #84

All honor and glory go to brer cat Dec 2017 #25

We need to listen, think, think again, then ask if our opinion would have value. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #27

See updated post... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #35

I have updated my post...and no one has ever accused me of being shy...but since you ask so nicely. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #38

No it's not mercuryblues Dec 2017 #12

Indeed Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #13

How is giving credit to the people who did the heavy lifting - The Polack MSgt Dec 2017 #22

I give them credit too...updated post with my POV. cheers. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #33

Thank you for the update. The Polack MSgt Dec 2017 #39

I should have been more explicit... and It turns out I was wrong on my interpretation of the Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #46

Wow. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #24

This is the same poster who told me yesterday that Anita Hill was "ancient history." VermontKevin Dec 2017 #28

No doubt, a particular bias demands you perceive it as such... LanternWaste Dec 2017 #26

Oh please...your words are meaningless to me...I just think that the OP Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #29

The Democratic Party listens to Black women. It's why the 2016 candidate was who they chose. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #30

The 2016 candidate was who all Democrats chose. That being said, we won't win without POC. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #43

No, it was not who all Democrats chose. We had a primary, yes? We chose who Black women chose. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #45

We all chose a candidate together....and that is how it should be. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #67

Yes. A primary process where Black women voters prevailed happened. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #70

"the Democratic Party does not appreciate Black voters" LexVegas Dec 2017 #36

Oh, Lordy. This thread is not about you. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #40

Demsrule86, I follow your posts all the time and I'm with you 99% of the time, on this issue... brush Dec 2017 #41

Maybe black voters dont feel heard. Lonestarblue Dec 2017 #80

Yes. Agreed. Good post. brush Dec 2017 #81

They spoke and were heard ... congrats Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #7

Amen nt Sunsky Dec 2017 #8

As soon as we're old enough to understand what they tell us, if we're smart! better Dec 2017 #9

I guess I would like to know who they thought should have been the D candidate? n2doc Dec 2017 #15

Well, Black women gave us HRC as the 2016 candidate. They were right. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #18

Who couldn't beat the worst candidate in history (and who underperformed Obama in many places). alarimer Dec 2017 #52

Are you talking about Bernie that way? The worst candidate in history? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #54

Your headline is very problematic. It's as if you haven't heard about the Russians, vote... brush Dec 2017 #82

This one right here. sheshe2 Dec 2017 #17

We repay them by listening, maybe? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #19

Hell yes! sheshe2 Dec 2017 #20

Yes. ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #23

Just black WOMEN? GaryCnf Dec 2017 #31

You really think gender issues don't motivate Black women? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #32

There is no evidence that gender issues played a big role standingtall Dec 2017 #42

Sorry, but have you actually asked any Black women? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #44

Been around African Americans all standingtall Dec 2017 #47

Oh. You've been "around" them? VermontKevin Dec 2017 #48

Yes I have infact standingtall Dec 2017 #49

Your anecdotal evidence is fascinating. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #53

I already cited an exit poll that standingtall Dec 2017 #56

I am sure your exit poll was broken down by race/gender and asked the VermontKevin Dec 2017 #59

actually no it is not standingtall Dec 2017 #64

Kindly explain your reasoning using actual math. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #65

I just did standingtall Dec 2017 #68

Gender stuff Sweet baby Jesus ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #61

Look at your own graphic GaryCnf Dec 2017 #55

Or, white women believe their race protects them from gender issues. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #57

Wow, now that is desperate GaryCnf Dec 2017 #60

I have no idea what question you are asking based on math. VermontKevin Dec 2017 #62

94% of Black women who voted voted for Hillary Clinton ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #63

Percentage means almost nothing GaryCnf Dec 2017 #71

With respect, you are missing my point ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #74

That isn't your fault GaryCnf Dec 2017 #75

And we agree. ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #76

You and who else? Iggo Dec 2017 #34

Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #51

I'm very proud of the black men and women for their wisdom and sorry to see that so many white ladjf Dec 2017 #58

Great to see the turnout in Alabama. jalan48 Dec 2017 #69

All votes of all races counted. lancelyons Dec 2017 #72

Maybe they aren't such a "minority" after all. I hope this will become a perpetual inspiration. Snotcicles Dec 2017 #73

Black Women Know What's What dlk Dec 2017 #77

I've been listening to them my whole life maxsolomon Dec 2017 #79

K&R Gothmog Dec 2017 #85