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PatrickforO

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4. That's a weak argument, you know.

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 10:58 AM

Dec 2017

In fact, this has to be satire.

Guaranteed to be offensive to feminists of both sexes.

What still bothers me about Franken being forced out is he didn't have due process. That's all. Zero tolerance takes away due process, and that is bad for everyone. Adopt a zero tolerance policy and you'll end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater - in plain language, getting rid of people who do not deserve to be gotten rid of because they are innocent of whatever allegations are being made against them.

You can't just open the floodgates and say 'believe everyone always' who makes some allegation. Not without subjecting that allegation to the rigors of being proven. Zero tolerance thus lays the groundwork for witch hunts, where good people are destroyed by mere innuendo.

Also gives the right wing, which really doesn't have any morality, license to sling mud without even being held accountable.

It is zero tolerance without due process that is the bad idea, not asking a Senator to resign.

Be clear on that point.

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Democrats Will Regret Forcing Al Franken to Resign [View all] JimBeard Dec 2017 OP

Franken was not accused by anyone working for him JI7 Dec 2017 #1

Yes, that's kind of ironic to me. "Believe everyone" becomes PatrickforO Dec 2017 #8

Which is also exactly what Franken supporters believe mythology Dec 2017 #16

Only because they were caught lying Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #22

This. Tipperary Dec 2017 #45

Really not a good argument to insist that if someone believes allegations of some standingtall Dec 2017 #23

Well, exactly. If we are going to have to believe every and all accusations, LisaL Dec 2017 #37

Who is saying believe everyone? LisaL Dec 2017 #39

Precisely BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #18

Exactly. A lot of women who worked with him or for him once he became a Senator came LisaL Dec 2017 #40

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2017 #50

New Leadership is the solution to this problem. democratisphere Dec 2017 #2

"a member of Congress" says it's going to hurt women SharonClark Dec 2017 #3

I think this may have been satire...the original post, that is. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #9

That is not what it means Lurks Often Dec 2017 #13

That's a weak argument, you know. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #4

It is exactly that lack of due process that will lead be people to be very cautious in their hiring Egnever Dec 2017 #49

I think they'll regret it, but not necessarily for that reason. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #5

Nah. LexVegas Dec 2017 #6

Thank you for your feed back. JimBeard Dec 2017 #10

No problem. LexVegas Dec 2017 #14

Oddly enough, I've hired women three to four times more than men LanternWaste Dec 2017 #7

Good for you JimBeard Dec 2017 #11

The problem is not the person hiring, it's the political perception. haele Dec 2017 #25

Oddly, Franken hired many women too and none of them made a complaint about him. brush Dec 2017 #28

very odd and very maddening ebbie15644 Dec 2017 #31

Not only didn't make complaints, they came to his defense. LisaL Dec 2017 #41

Exactly. Someone got ahead of her skis and got us all played by the repug hit job. brush Dec 2017 #47

Presumably you don't have people with a political incentive Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #43

For Someone Who Regularly Lectures Others. . . ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author BeyondGeography Dec 2017 #12

So If The Dems Have A Zero Tolerance Policy... global1 Dec 2017 #15

That's pretty dumb. Orsino Dec 2017 #17

You think it won't happen? Of course it will. Not by all men but some will look for reasons... brush Dec 2017 #29

And the companies will face discrimination suits. Blue_true Dec 2017 #44

Of course women shouldn't face that. But proving someone wasn't hired because of gender is a whole.. brush Dec 2017 #46

Good discrimination lawyers can prove it. Blue_true Dec 2017 #48

Al did have a chance to stop that bullshit JimBeard Dec 2017 #55

I said it won't be the fault of Dems who urged Franken out of office... Orsino Dec 2017 #56

That should please Republicans. After all they want their women to stay home, Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #19

Wow - life is so hard for attractive (buxom?) women oberliner Dec 2017 #20

I do regret him being replace by an amateur with no experience in national or inter-national affairs FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #21

You got spunk!! Great Post. I agree 101% ................................... JimBeard Dec 2017 #24

Al had zero experience in international affairs when he ran. nycbos Dec 2017 #26

Only 22 percent of people in Minn want him to stay. nycbos Dec 2017 #27

Well of course, after all the bad mouthing and publicity what else do you expect? brush Dec 2017 #30

Misleading statistic anyway... 80% of Dems say he should either stay or wait for investigation. lostnfound Dec 2017 #33

80% of Democrats think he should stay or wait for ethics investigation, theyre the ones that count lostnfound Dec 2017 #32

Plus 36% want to wait for an investigation, dont they count?. lostnfound Dec 2017 #34

Lets look at the poll you furnished with your link. JimBeard Dec 2017 #35

It's tragic, and you are correct. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #36

lol they should give less attractive women a chance treestar Dec 2017 #38

Agree. ananda Dec 2017 #42

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #51

Ouch Egnever Dec 2017 #52

It is in the comments section in Todays NYT JimBeard Dec 2017 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Dec 2017 #54

...while Farenthold gets to hold his seat till next November... spanone Dec 2017 #57

If it means getting rid of real sexual predators, like Farenthold, then it's a win. alarimer Dec 2017 #59

And their little dog toto too! MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #60