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EffieBlack

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Thu Dec 14, 2017, 01:49 PM

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Am I the only one sick of pundits claiming "women and blacks made the difference in Alabama?" [View all] EffieBlack Dec 2017 OP

I keep hearing the opposite. That white women backed moore two to one. mucifer Dec 2017 #1

Thats what Im hearing too. nt cwydro Dec 2017 #20

That's what the OP says. Pls re-read. brush Dec 2017 #25

I'll recommend and this gay, white, 61 years man wholeheartedly agrees. Raster Dec 2017 #2

Dumbfounded here, too. 3catwoman3 Dec 2017 #48

I'm not really sure the point you are trying to make Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #3

I think you're on to it. Sad though. No one knows what you do in the voting booth. brush Dec 2017 #27

Here in the South, the thinking is...off (IMO) Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #51

Oh yeah, it does. Years of (for lack of a better word) indoctrination will do that. brush Dec 2017 #61

You are missing what the evangelicals do. lark Dec 2017 #46

You may be right. Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #52

You are exactly right Maggiemayhem Dec 2017 #56

They work really hard to accomplish that. lark Dec 2017 #88

Also sick of the myth that the majority of white women only vote that way because lunasun Dec 2017 #4

That reminds me of the epic arguments between my grandmother and grandfather tymorial Dec 2017 #44

I don't think it's that their husbands tell them to, but I think Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #53

The majority of white women in Alabama didn't even vote. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #69

Not sure about majority..but a good portion yes. n/t Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #92

I haven't listened to the pundits but I saw it spun that way in print and it jumped out at me. femmedem Dec 2017 #5

The only thing I've heard about "women" in general NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #6

Sessions kwalter66 Dec 2017 #18

And the purpose of segmenting the voters into tighter marybourg Dec 2017 #7

Honest analysis? EffieBlack Dec 2017 #14

Then break it down in a way that truly tells the story kcr Dec 2017 #19

My point, exactly EffieBlack Dec 2017 #29

I'm not sure how repeating their mistake is an effective way of calling them out. kcr Dec 2017 #31

God forbid we separate out white women from analysis EffieBlack Dec 2017 #38

And here come the strawmen. kcr Dec 2017 #41

Whatever EffieBlack Dec 2017 #43

Yes the separation of the terms blacks and women, viewed and praised as two lunasun Dec 2017 #78

Maybe confronting that fact (rather than running away from it) will inspire white non-voters ecstatic Dec 2017 #89

The majority of pundits I've heard have said the African-American cry baby Dec 2017 #8

I've heard that - but usually in response to the broader and inaccurate assertion EffieBlack Dec 2017 #15

Just a small nit pik: Let's say black people. 93% of black men also voted for Jones. Not a small... brush Dec 2017 #33

You're making my point: EffieBlack Dec 2017 #39

I agree with that. Don't leave out us black men. brush Dec 2017 #45

Because there was a statistical gender gap among whites. spooky3 Dec 2017 #90

I understand your point...I just haven't heard the "women and blacks" cry baby Dec 2017 #87

You're right. A majority of white women voted for Moore The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #9

consider those who stayed home in order not to vote for Moore...so that is not accurate. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #24

40% of voters went to the polls ...thus 60% did not. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #26

The majority being referenced is of people who voted. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #28

There were lots of things that made a difference including disgruntled Repugs casting write-in votes eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #10

And kwalter66 Dec 2017 #21

Very good observation, and welcome to DU ! nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #47

Failure is an orphan means no one takes responsibility for it. robbob Dec 2017 #57

Well, I know that -- repsonsibility here is being taken on behalf of others by everyone involved. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #63

Yes the write-in votes made a big difference FakeNoose Dec 2017 #58

As a white woman sheshe2 Dec 2017 #11

If 2/3rds of white women voted for Moore, you are correct. n/t Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #12

"He may be a child molester, but at least he's a racist" seems to be bullwinkle428 Dec 2017 #13

Racism was the deciding factor in Alabama for whites Squaredeal Dec 2017 #50

Absolutely correct. White women as a group helped Moore, just less than white men as a group did Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #16

I too would have liked to see a breakdown by age and race. Blue_true Dec 2017 #73

No votes made the difference. Orsino Dec 2017 #17

Yep JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #22

The only stat I need people to get correct is 97% of black women in AL did not vote Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #32

It's interesting and a little troubling to see how many people here are trying to parse and spin EffieBlack Dec 2017 #34

I'm definitely not JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #66

No, you're definitely not. But too many others are. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #67

They ought to be ashamed of themselves JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #75

Yes. Get the black vote out in Southern States! treestar Dec 2017 #23

I'm tired of the black male vote being given less importance in these discussions. Stand and Fight Dec 2017 #30

Yep. 93% of black men vote Dem. Nothing to be sniffed at. brush Dec 2017 #37

You're absolutely right EffieBlack Dec 2017 #40

Did you rec my video giving black women the main credit? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #35

I wasn't talking about what people are posting on DU. I'm talking about what the news media/pundits EffieBlack Dec 2017 #42

Oh. What I saw on MSNBC gave blacks the main credit, with black WOMEN the biggest credit. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #96

We are one collective voice.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #36

Black folks and the millennials... it was especially nice to see the millennials come out as many... iluvtennis Dec 2017 #49

No, because it highlights the institutionalized racism and sexism in America. apnu Dec 2017 #54

African American men and women saved the day - other women, not so much. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #60

White women believed Moore to be A Good God Fearing Man jmowreader Dec 2017 #55

Correction: The majority (but not all) of white ALABAMA women. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #97

Yup Leith Dec 2017 #59

I hear what you are saying. And I agree with making a distinction. But I think what they are boston bean Dec 2017 #62

But equating 97% with 32% because they are the two highest groups does a real disservice EffieBlack Dec 2017 #65

I was only making a valid point effie. You have made yours and I thought I was clear I didnt boston bean Dec 2017 #84

I have a problem with saying black and women together EffieBlack Dec 2017 #85

Most voters are republican in Alabama. 100% of first time democratic voters were also a big lift. boston bean Dec 2017 #91

There where substantial numbers of white folks that did vote for Jones. lancelyons Dec 2017 #64

Wow - talk about parsing EffieBlack Dec 2017 #70

If I'm honest, I have to say BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #68

It should be Blacks, minorities and young Whites made the difference. Blue_true Dec 2017 #71

So, because whites outnumber blacks, it's ok for them to vote in larger proportions for racists? EffieBlack Dec 2017 #72

That was not my point. Blue_true Dec 2017 #76

I have seen quite the opposite. CNN and MSNBC both spent the day lauding black women. Tipperary Dec 2017 #74

old white woman pamdb Dec 2017 #77

What did happen ? lunasun Dec 2017 #79

*sigh MountainMama Dec 2017 #80

Certainly the privileges of being white could lead some women to believe that they are VermontKevin Dec 2017 #81

A couple of things underthematrix Dec 2017 #82

A lot of suburban white women who voted for Republicans in the past flipped YessirAtsaFact Dec 2017 #83

I guess I'm not willing to jump on the "everybody gets a prize" bandwagon because EffieBlack Dec 2017 #93

Thats a stinging analogy... herding cats Dec 2017 #94

Congratulations you just won a football game YessirAtsaFact Dec 2017 #95

White women want to keep their white MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #86