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64. There where substantial numbers of white folks that did vote for Jones.

Thu Dec 14, 2017, 03:07 PM

Dec 2017

There where substantial numbers of white folks that did vote for Jones.

Now that doesnt diminish the welcomed votes from african americans but to act like it was just them that carried Jones to victory is crazy.

of the 1.3 million that voted.. using rough numbers

approx 65% where white which equals 845,000 voters
approx 30% where african american equals 390,000 voters

approx 32 percent of the white vote went to Jones = 270,000
approx 98 percent of the african american vote went to Jones or 382,000

so with those numbers certainly the African American vote was huge... but so to was the votes from a number of white folks.

It was NOT just the african american vote that brought jones across the line.

MY point is that all the votes count.

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Am I the only one sick of pundits claiming "women and blacks made the difference in Alabama?" [View all] EffieBlack Dec 2017 OP

I keep hearing the opposite. That white women backed moore two to one. mucifer Dec 2017 #1

Thats what Im hearing too. nt cwydro Dec 2017 #20

That's what the OP says. Pls re-read. brush Dec 2017 #25

I'll recommend and this gay, white, 61 years man wholeheartedly agrees. Raster Dec 2017 #2

Dumbfounded here, too. 3catwoman3 Dec 2017 #48

I'm not really sure the point you are trying to make Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #3

I think you're on to it. Sad though. No one knows what you do in the voting booth. brush Dec 2017 #27

Here in the South, the thinking is...off (IMO) Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #51

Oh yeah, it does. Years of (for lack of a better word) indoctrination will do that. brush Dec 2017 #61

You are missing what the evangelicals do. lark Dec 2017 #46

You may be right. Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #52

You are exactly right Maggiemayhem Dec 2017 #56

They work really hard to accomplish that. lark Dec 2017 #88

Also sick of the myth that the majority of white women only vote that way because lunasun Dec 2017 #4

That reminds me of the epic arguments between my grandmother and grandfather tymorial Dec 2017 #44

I don't think it's that their husbands tell them to, but I think Shell_Seas Dec 2017 #53

The majority of white women in Alabama didn't even vote. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #69

Not sure about majority..but a good portion yes. n/t Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #92

I haven't listened to the pundits but I saw it spun that way in print and it jumped out at me. femmedem Dec 2017 #5

The only thing I've heard about "women" in general NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #6

Sessions kwalter66 Dec 2017 #18

And the purpose of segmenting the voters into tighter marybourg Dec 2017 #7

Honest analysis? EffieBlack Dec 2017 #14

Then break it down in a way that truly tells the story kcr Dec 2017 #19

My point, exactly EffieBlack Dec 2017 #29

I'm not sure how repeating their mistake is an effective way of calling them out. kcr Dec 2017 #31

God forbid we separate out white women from analysis EffieBlack Dec 2017 #38

And here come the strawmen. kcr Dec 2017 #41

Whatever EffieBlack Dec 2017 #43

Yes the separation of the terms blacks and women, viewed and praised as two lunasun Dec 2017 #78

Maybe confronting that fact (rather than running away from it) will inspire white non-voters ecstatic Dec 2017 #89

The majority of pundits I've heard have said the African-American cry baby Dec 2017 #8

I've heard that - but usually in response to the broader and inaccurate assertion EffieBlack Dec 2017 #15

Just a small nit pik: Let's say black people. 93% of black men also voted for Jones. Not a small... brush Dec 2017 #33

You're making my point: EffieBlack Dec 2017 #39

I agree with that. Don't leave out us black men. brush Dec 2017 #45

Because there was a statistical gender gap among whites. spooky3 Dec 2017 #90

I understand your point...I just haven't heard the "women and blacks" cry baby Dec 2017 #87

You're right. A majority of white women voted for Moore The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #9

consider those who stayed home in order not to vote for Moore...so that is not accurate. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #24

40% of voters went to the polls ...thus 60% did not. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #26

The majority being referenced is of people who voted. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #28

There were lots of things that made a difference including disgruntled Repugs casting write-in votes eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #10

And kwalter66 Dec 2017 #21

Very good observation, and welcome to DU ! nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #47

Failure is an orphan means no one takes responsibility for it. robbob Dec 2017 #57

Well, I know that -- repsonsibility here is being taken on behalf of others by everyone involved. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2017 #63

Yes the write-in votes made a big difference FakeNoose Dec 2017 #58

As a white woman sheshe2 Dec 2017 #11

If 2/3rds of white women voted for Moore, you are correct. n/t Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #12

"He may be a child molester, but at least he's a racist" seems to be bullwinkle428 Dec 2017 #13

Racism was the deciding factor in Alabama for whites Squaredeal Dec 2017 #50

Absolutely correct. White women as a group helped Moore, just less than white men as a group did Tom Rinaldo Dec 2017 #16

I too would have liked to see a breakdown by age and race. Blue_true Dec 2017 #73

No votes made the difference. Orsino Dec 2017 #17

Yep JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #22

The only stat I need people to get correct is 97% of black women in AL did not vote Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #32

It's interesting and a little troubling to see how many people here are trying to parse and spin EffieBlack Dec 2017 #34

I'm definitely not JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #66

No, you're definitely not. But too many others are. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #67

They ought to be ashamed of themselves JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #75

Yes. Get the black vote out in Southern States! treestar Dec 2017 #23

I'm tired of the black male vote being given less importance in these discussions. Stand and Fight Dec 2017 #30

Yep. 93% of black men vote Dem. Nothing to be sniffed at. brush Dec 2017 #37

You're absolutely right EffieBlack Dec 2017 #40

Did you rec my video giving black women the main credit? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #35

I wasn't talking about what people are posting on DU. I'm talking about what the news media/pundits EffieBlack Dec 2017 #42

Oh. What I saw on MSNBC gave blacks the main credit, with black WOMEN the biggest credit. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #96

We are one collective voice.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #36

Black folks and the millennials... it was especially nice to see the millennials come out as many... iluvtennis Dec 2017 #49

No, because it highlights the institutionalized racism and sexism in America. apnu Dec 2017 #54

African American men and women saved the day - other women, not so much. EffieBlack Dec 2017 #60

White women believed Moore to be A Good God Fearing Man jmowreader Dec 2017 #55

Correction: The majority (but not all) of white ALABAMA women. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #97

Yup Leith Dec 2017 #59

I hear what you are saying. And I agree with making a distinction. But I think what they are boston bean Dec 2017 #62

But equating 97% with 32% because they are the two highest groups does a real disservice EffieBlack Dec 2017 #65

I was only making a valid point effie. You have made yours and I thought I was clear I didnt boston bean Dec 2017 #84

I have a problem with saying black and women together EffieBlack Dec 2017 #85

Most voters are republican in Alabama. 100% of first time democratic voters were also a big lift. boston bean Dec 2017 #91

There where substantial numbers of white folks that did vote for Jones. lancelyons Dec 2017 #64

Wow - talk about parsing EffieBlack Dec 2017 #70

If I'm honest, I have to say BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #68

It should be Blacks, minorities and young Whites made the difference. Blue_true Dec 2017 #71

So, because whites outnumber blacks, it's ok for them to vote in larger proportions for racists? EffieBlack Dec 2017 #72

That was not my point. Blue_true Dec 2017 #76

I have seen quite the opposite. CNN and MSNBC both spent the day lauding black women. Tipperary Dec 2017 #74

old white woman pamdb Dec 2017 #77

What did happen ? lunasun Dec 2017 #79

*sigh MountainMama Dec 2017 #80

Certainly the privileges of being white could lead some women to believe that they are VermontKevin Dec 2017 #81

A couple of things underthematrix Dec 2017 #82

A lot of suburban white women who voted for Republicans in the past flipped YessirAtsaFact Dec 2017 #83

I guess I'm not willing to jump on the "everybody gets a prize" bandwagon because EffieBlack Dec 2017 #93

Thats a stinging analogy... herding cats Dec 2017 #94

Congratulations you just won a football game YessirAtsaFact Dec 2017 #95

White women want to keep their white MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #86