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31. agree, hydrogen is a pipe dream

Mon Dec 26, 2011, 02:51 PM

Dec 2011

We have an extensive existing electrical and fossil fuel infrastructure and ZERO hydrogen infrastructure. Building a hydrogen infrastructure would be an enormous task and just not practical.

Here is the future of transport in the US (my opinion). High speed rail will never be a large factor. Automobiles on roads will be the future for a very long time. I see the development of battery technology, regen braking technology and electric and hybrid electric as the most likely direction. And I dont mean cars like the Prius. the Prius is a gas engine car with a battery and electric motor to optimize the efficiency of the gas engine. A true electric hybrid would have a much smaller gas engine, a much larger battery and primarily operate as an electric vehicle which the Prius does not. The Volt is a better example. The future for the next several decades will evolve into electric vehicles with gasoline engine backup for range and flexibility.

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Apple Hydrogen Fuel Cell Battery Plans Revealed [View all] onehandle Dec 2011 OP

About 5 years ago, dotymed Dec 2011 #1

Hartford has two generations of fuel cell buses on the road. Atman Dec 2011 #3

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It has been suggested that the spining reserve required could be used to eltectrolyze water ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2011 #14

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Regarding the oil companies wanting to buy and bury the technology you mention. Nikola Tesla truth2power Dec 2011 #9

Please keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum. TheWraith Dec 2011 #36

What he said, FOR THE TIME HE LIVED IN, was extraordinary enough... truth2power Dec 2011 #64

Utter nonsense ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2011 #13

I have a friend in Holland CountAllVotes Dec 2011 #15

Did they mention if the batteries will be constructed... Scuba Dec 2011 #2

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Uh, that's great, but how do you skepticscott Dec 2011 #6

That's one of two reasons fuel cells have never taken off for gadgets. TheWraith Dec 2011 #8

The can be recharged using electolyzers - which are small and efficient and cheap jpak Dec 2011 #17

No, they're not even remotely "efficient." TheWraith Dec 2011 #22

Do your homework - electrolysis of water for hydrogen IS highly efficient - and hydrogen fuel cells jpak Dec 2011 #23

You are completely and consistently wrong on science. TheWraith Dec 2011 #35

agree, hydrogen is a pipe dream trekbiker Dec 2011 #31

You'll probably have to have it filled at the Apple store tridim Dec 2011 #16

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Right, I wont buy anything made by Apple because their products are overpriced. tridim Dec 2011 #39

But think how aesthically pleasing it will be... eyewall Dec 2011 #40

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You consider them overpriced, yet I consider them a bargain. HuckleB Dec 2011 #52

Exactly guitar man Dec 2011 #56

And I record on my 8 year old PC. tridim Dec 2011 #58

What evidence do you have the PC's don't last as long as Macs? tridim Dec 2011 #57

Couldn't they be filled like re-fillable lighters? Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Dec 2011 #18

Yep. harun Dec 2011 #30

I'll believe it when I see it. Patents aren't plans. TheWraith Dec 2011 #7

Standby hydrogen fuel cell/electrolyzers for desktop computers have been on the market for some time jpak Dec 2011 #19

link? quakerboy Dec 2011 #48

here ya go jpak Dec 2011 #59

Hell, as often as not patents are plans *not* to make something. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2011 #20

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In theory, yes. In practice, no. TheWraith Dec 2011 #33

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That's NOT what "personal area network" means. TheWraith Dec 2011 #49

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There's not enough platinum in the world to make enough fuel cells. TroubleMan Dec 2011 #10

Fuel cells that do not require Pt ave been developed jpak Dec 2011 #24

here are the pictures on how it would work from apple insider Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #11

Better hope Dick Cheney doesn't invade Apple. sofa king Dec 2011 #12

"Apple's hydrogen is so much better than Windows' hydrogen." Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #21

Ha! DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #26

Don't forget the open source hydrogen project, "Hydronix"! boppers Dec 2011 #46

If This Proves Feasible, We'll Probably have Right-Wing Shills And Toadies Decrying It Tomorrow Vogon_Glory Dec 2011 #25

California... Bennyboy Dec 2011 #32

I'm skeptical. where is the hydrogen going to come from? garybeck Dec 2011 #34

Couldn't. They just farm hydrangeas? Kablooie Dec 2011 #61

I don't think they'd let me take it on a plane. Ron Obvious Dec 2011 #37

Isn't this backward? eyewall Dec 2011 #38

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Thanks for the clarification. eyewall Dec 2011 #53

no, the OP is correct, however garybeck Dec 2011 #50

Energy storage, excess generation, such as from wind turbines at night... NYC_SKP Dec 2011 #62

Here's a list of facts that will help some of you calm down a bit regarding this. truthisfreedom Dec 2011 #44

My Tesla Roadster can not run for four hours at 60 miles per hour. NYC_SKP Dec 2011 #45

Sport 2.0 truthisfreedom Dec 2011 #54

Hydrogen power might be really effective in small power devices Taverner Dec 2011 #47

Could use a Metal Hydride for the hydrogen fuel storage. mackdaddy Dec 2011 #51

And the hydrogen will make devices lighter too! If they don't float away. Kablooie Dec 2011 #60

K&R burrowowl Dec 2011 #63

Can we buy them by the pair? nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #65