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bemildred

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11. Ukraine's latest defeat confronts West and Obama with costly zero-sum game
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:49 PM
Feb 2015

Amsterdam: There are two ways to look at the loss of Debaltseve in Ukraine – a final combat convulsion before both sides honour last week's Minsk ceasefire agreement; or just another humiliation of Ukrainian forces by Russian-backed separatists, of which there have been many.

The trajectory of this conflict suggests the latter. But the timing of the rout at a strategic transport hub in the country's east risks elevating it to what historians might record as a tipping point, at which Washington succumbed to pressure to supply lethal weapons to the Kiev government.

A recent marked change in US President Barack Obama's rhetoric – from "we will not" to "I've asked my team to look at all options" – coincides with a ramping-up of pressure from think tanks and others for Washington to arm Kiev to the tune of billions of dollars.

But the battle for Debaltseve has already been quite instructive – about what Russian President Vladimir Putin likes to describe as an army of former miners and tractor-drivers can do, if given access to the weapons warehouses of a superpower; and about the awful training, morale and discipline of what pass for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

http://www.watoday.com.au/world/ukraines-latest-defeat-confronts-west-and-obama-with-costly-zerosum-game-20150220-13kctu.html

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This message was self-deleted by its author goziosskiy Feb 2015 #6
Fascinating . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #5
But that's not in the Guardian article the OP is about! muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #7
True, the emphasis in the report is completely different. They demand more NATO action, not less. freshwest Feb 2015 #18
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Ukraine's latest defeat confronts West and Obama with costly zero-sum game bemildred Feb 2015 #11
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. nt bemildred Feb 2015 #17
Putin has seen firsthand how weak-willed and complacent the West has become Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #19
We are more like "stupid and incompetent". We got balls enough for everybody. nt bemildred Feb 2015 #20
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