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66. So, if I understand you,

Mon Mar 23, 2015, 02:20 PM

Mar 2015

Denmark and Russia, like Georgia and Russia, share a common border.

Well -- take a look at a map. My point was exactly that Denmark, unlike Poland (and Georgia) is some distance from Russia. And Russia, today, is weak, though not as weak as they were when they invaded Georgia.

Anyway, my post was about strategy. Was the expansion of NATO good strategy? Perhaps. But righteous indignation doesn't make good strategy. If we retain a close alliance with Poland and Estonia, but our alliance with Germany and France (and Denmark) is no longer reliable, then we are in a weaker position. And I think that is Russia's new strategy. Losing the advantage of a strong alliance of the US with western Europe will not help Georgia, or Poland either. So put down your righteous indignation and put on your thinking cap: how can we prevent Russia from outflanking us by this strategy?

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Russia delivers nuclear warning to Denmark [View all] bananas Mar 2015 OP

Russia! Wut r u doing? Russia! STAPH! DRoseDARs Mar 2015 #1

I sure hope your right donnasgirl Mar 2015 #21

If it comes to that, we'll all be slag. leveymg Mar 2015 #26

Last I checked Russia has enough nukes to destroy civilization, even without an American response. Threedifferentones Mar 2015 #76

Denmark?! Hey, resident Putinistas , rationalize this one Hekate Mar 2015 #2

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service FrodosPet Mar 2015 #11

The post didn't mention any names, so I see no reason why anyone who does not tblue37 Mar 2015 #15

I guess one of the "resident Putinistas" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #19

Boy they sure get testy when they're proven wrong again, dont they? 7962 Mar 2015 #23

it's definitely Karma that the alerter lost their alerting privileges nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #27

Somebody actually alerted on that? Downtown Hound Mar 2015 #47

I sincerely hope that Denmark Aerows Mar 2015 #3

Sweden is not a NATO member but probably will be soon! Quantess Mar 2015 #60

Russia delivers nuclear warning to Denmark The CCC Mar 2015 #4

Only problem being . . . MrModerate Mar 2015 #6

I believe the threat of that happening is what the poster was referring Gore1FL Mar 2015 #37

.... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #34

DON'T you DARE try to DEFEND yourself - Or we will Nuke You laserhaas Mar 2015 #63

In what universe is threatening a nuclear attack on a small country NuclearDem Mar 2015 #69

You misconstrue my sarcasm NuclearDem.... laserhaas Mar 2015 #74

My sarcasm meter needs some adjusting. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #81

No Problem - We're all in fighting mode these days laserhaas Mar 2015 #83

That ambassador Turbineguy Mar 2015 #5

Putin's a * *.. got a hide once for cussing out poor putin.. so I will leave it at that.. Cha Mar 2015 #7

sheeesh Hekate Mar 2015 #59

Is Russia, willing to make Denmark prove half life calculations irisblue Mar 2015 #8

It's just a statement of fact. The UK, French, USA and China have nuke subs ready to play, too. freshwest Mar 2015 #9

Vladimir Vladimirovich want WAR Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #10

Russian ambassador threatens Denmark with naval nuclear attack if it joins missile shield trueblue2007 Mar 2015 #12

excuse me? Colorado Vince Mar 2015 #13

I thought it said "warming" jberryhill Mar 2015 #14

Putin thinks "global warming" will be the glowing crust of the Earth, post-strike. riqster Mar 2015 #16

Obviously not going to happen outside a general attack on NATO HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #17

Who could blame some of the Nordic countries for wanting protection from Putin davidpdx Mar 2015 #18

"Ah looked the man in the eye..." Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2015 #20

How Foolist, to threaten to start WWIII. RoccoR5955 Mar 2015 #22

Lets hear it from the Putin lovers. This is all Denmarks fault for not fearing Dear Leader. 7962 Mar 2015 #24

I think this is more serious than some seem to suppose. rogerashton Mar 2015 #25

I don't think so. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #28

except tht missile shield wouldn't be a threat to Russia, it would merely geek tragedy Mar 2015 #31

Of course. But saying that outright doesn't play into Putin's propaganda. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #32

Nevertheless! rogerashton Mar 2015 #42

Russia would still be threat even with the missile shield Downtown Hound Mar 2015 #52

the larger goal is to see if they can intimidate NATO and EU states geek tragedy Mar 2015 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author MFrohike Mar 2015 #85

Thank you swilton Mar 2015 #36

Yeah, Russia hasn't done anything to make their neighbors nervous. jeff47 Mar 2015 #51

So, if I understand you, rogerashton Mar 2015 #66

No, you only understand strawmen. jeff47 Mar 2015 #67

One further point. rogerashton Mar 2015 #72

Because a NATO vs Russia nuclear war wouldn't affect them if they weren't in NATO??! jeff47 Mar 2015 #38

Better fallout than a strike on Danish territory. eom rogerashton Mar 2015 #44

Not really. You have to deal with fallout. A direct strike jeff47 Mar 2015 #46

So if I understand you, rogerashton Mar 2015 #50

No, it is not a threat you can survive. You die a lingering death instead of instant vaporization. jeff47 Mar 2015 #56

And you are a physicist, right? rogerashton Mar 2015 #61

Yes, it requires a physics degree to understand how a ballistic missile works. jeff47 Mar 2015 #62

So -- we agree -- my opinions about nuclear missiles are as reliable as yours are. rogerashton Mar 2015 #65

You think a founding country is going to abandon NATO. jeff47 Mar 2015 #68

Europe is changing rogerashton Mar 2015 #71

You mean imploding... laserhaas Mar 2015 #75

the threat to Germany, et al isn't Russian troops parading through Berlin, it's geek tragedy Mar 2015 #43

I don't believe that affects my point. rogerashton Mar 2015 #45

The Russian goal is to undermine NATO and European unity. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #48

Well, I think we mostly agree. rogerashton Mar 2015 #53

Robert Parry will explain how it was actually Ukrainian Nazis who made this threat nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #29

Reply to this threat... TomVilmer Mar 2015 #30

those missiles would go west, towards young men, correct? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #49

Try to read before your answer... TomVilmer Mar 2015 #80

"if these missiles also could hit the Danish warships, when they were equipped with the system." EX500rider Mar 2015 #77

bananas Diclotican Mar 2015 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author wundermaus Mar 2015 #35

What are those damned Russkies so paranoid about? MattSh Mar 2015 #39

So, the spin from Team Putin is that Russia is threatening to nuke Denmark geek tragedy Mar 2015 #40

Moscow was certainly paranoid regarding the Crimea, Georgia and Ukraine... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #55

Do we believe the Anchorage was not alerady targeted? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #41

What's strange is the massive media assault regarding "ISIS," which has nothing but swords and The Stranger Mar 2015 #57

Putin's has made his end game clear for anyone who cares to look: MAD Xithras Mar 2015 #58

the bigger problem for Putin is that Russia is no longer the other superpower. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #64

A lot of it comes back to BRIC ambitions. Xithras Mar 2015 #70

It will be a very, very, very long time before BRICS outweighs North America, Europe, Japan and geek tragedy Mar 2015 #73

The goal of BRIC's isn't to recreate the Iron Curtain. Xithras Mar 2015 #78

Who thinks that Russia will be a more dominant economy than the EU and North America? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #79

bring it on Vlad . olddots Mar 2015 #82

Not this Cold War shit again Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #84