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Preliminary Baltimore police report: no evidence Gray fatally injured during arrest: ABC [View all] Novara Apr 2015 OP

was that ever an allegation? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #1

Oh, plenty of forensic video watchin' experts have said just that alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #22

my understanding is that it's always been understood that he was killed/injured geek tragedy Apr 2015 #24

No, I don't think that was "always understood".... TinkerTot55 Apr 2015 #58

But, if he was killed by one of their abusive "rough rides" that's still felony murder geek tragedy Apr 2015 #59

Agreed. TinkerTot55 Apr 2015 #61

Being slammed into the van isn't "during arrest"? arcane1 Apr 2015 #2

I think the arrest is one act underpants Apr 2015 #7

I'm guessing this official position represents the "he did it to himself" narrative. malthaussen Apr 2015 #8

I was getting coffee in the break room awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #72

I agree, this is some kind of double speak still_one Apr 2015 #40

My Exact Thought DallasNE Apr 2015 #42

That is one of the worst sharp_stick Apr 2015 #3

I know! Novara Apr 2015 #6

Hey, proofreaders cost money. malthaussen Apr 2015 #9

As a retired copy editor, I would be happy to offer my services (for a price of course). n/t RebelOne Apr 2015 #50

They were probably in a rush to get it out underpants Apr 2015 #10

Trying to be first with the story. Reuters does go back and edit published stories, thank goodness okaawhatever Apr 2015 #15

Now this is deep. I think the entire globe knows, without this secretive whitewash, because a man libdem4life Apr 2015 #4

Its police responsibility regardless project_bluebook Apr 2015 #5

Freddie Gray liberal from boston Apr 2015 #64

Sounds like no charges coming for these cops. FarPoint Apr 2015 #11

Any evidence of a "Baltimore Rough Ride"? mackdaddy Apr 2015 #12

the bolt pattern could be from the end of a baton Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #73

Gray's DNA Should Be All Over The Murder Weapon DallasNE Apr 2015 #74

Was Gray "cowboyed?" Archae Apr 2015 #13

It's also called a "nickel ride." Larry Engels Apr 2015 #28

Yes, he was still breathing but already grievously injured when they threw him in. He couldn't walk leveymg Apr 2015 #14

Jail. All of them. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #51

They should have called for an ambulance, not the meat wagon. leveymg Apr 2015 #57

Let the cover up begin! bluestateguy Apr 2015 #16

The other big headline this afternoon is that 100 cops have been injured underpants Apr 2015 #29

Are any of them dead? SwankyXomb Apr 2015 #68

They wanted to hurt him, hence no seat restraints. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #17

Friend of mine says it is a common police tactic in these type vehicles, they drive NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #32

Absolutely what happens - all in good fun, don't cha know! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #38

Here's my theory. Beauregard Apr 2015 #52

That's exactly what happened. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #62

Why would they cuff his feet? His legs were inoperable before they threw him in the wagon. n/t Judi Lynn May 2015 #78

I've seen videos of cops handcuffing a corpse or attempting nc4bo May 2015 #79

Uh-oh. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #18

Okay is this report from the Baltimore cops themselves or the person in the state they were jwirr Apr 2015 #19

Really? Did you see the video? Helen Borg Apr 2015 #20

Watch both videos from 2 angles. #14. Gray was unable to walk and in great pain as he was dragged leveymg Apr 2015 #21

Want to bet that the police cstanleytech Apr 2015 #26

It's like most cases of "suicide in custody." Blame the victim or the van driver. leveymg Apr 2015 #34

He may not have been injured during the arrest itself. But according to this he was injured when totodeinhere Apr 2015 #23

Of course not. KamaAina Apr 2015 #25

trust goes to below zero oldandhappy Apr 2015 #27

Terrible headline. Hissyspit Apr 2015 #30

ok, I get it.. the police didn't do it, the van did it. ellenrr Apr 2015 #31

First of all, NOTHING the cops EVER say, is true, unless by coincidence. Just like with cons. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #33

They're reporting it as if though it were an accident chowder66 Apr 2015 #35

Let's see how the new USAG handles this. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #41

Good points! nt chowder66 Apr 2015 #47

It Is Hard To See How They Could Have Been Following Existing Rules DallasNE Apr 2015 #44

I agree chowder66 Apr 2015 #46

We don't see the beginning of the take down. If someone 200 pds puts their rhett o rick Apr 2015 #36

NO!!!!! heaven05 Apr 2015 #37

something doesnt add up CullenBohannon Apr 2015 #39

Bring charges to the officers involved, and sue the hell out of the city. This is the first time still_one Apr 2015 #43

My opinion is He fingrin Apr 2015 #45

Crushed voice box ciaobaby Apr 2015 #48

Maybe not during "arrest," but while in "custody." Beauregard Apr 2015 #49

It's saying there's no evidence he was FATALLY injured during arrest. Demit Apr 2015 #53

The bullshit continues ciaobaby Apr 2015 #55

I'm suggesting that you parse what they say very closely. Demit Apr 2015 #65

Well aren't you sensitive. ciaobaby Apr 2015 #70

Just try not to be stupid. Demit Apr 2015 #71

"Gray sustained a head injury that matches bolt in the back of police van" n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #54

Theres a big difference fingrin Apr 2015 #56

Not buying it ciaobaby Apr 2015 #60

It's been suspected that they gave him a 'nickel ride' to punish him... PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #63

According to this evening's Guardian, Freddie Gray's head was rammed back onto a bolt in the van. Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #66

National attention 1HappyDemocrat Apr 2015 #67

So it's more important where the cops killed him rather than the fact that they killed him? nt valerief Apr 2015 #69

He was injured while in their custody treestar May 2015 #75

looks like more riots are in the making.... chillfactor May 2015 #76

how is the crushed larynx explained gwheezie May 2015 #77

Oh yeah there is that underpants May 2015 #80

We jumped the shark papertolio May 2015 #81

How about we still don't know the truth and may never know? nt nc4bo May 2015 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #83

Since when? cyberswede May 2015 #85

Then how do you know "we" jumped the shark? arcane1 May 2015 #86

So spontaneous throat crushing and spine severing??? workinclasszero May 2015 #84