Latest Breaking News

TinkerTot55

(198 posts)

58. No, I don't think that was "always understood"....

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:01 PM

Apr 2015

....but I think it's the narrative the police department wants people to believe. Trying to reduce an incident from "actively caused by the initial rough handling during the take-down preceding the arrest" to "whoops, we neglected to put on the seat belt; our bad."

I want Orthopedic and Emergency Medicine physicians and also neurologists to view all the recordings taken of the incident, and evaluate Mr. Gray's physical condition.

I saw him screaming in pain, and seemingly unable to move his legs BEFORE he entered the van; I saw him dragged and unable to walk, similar to the incident with the Indian man who was slammed to the ground and was partially paralyzed. I've seen videos of other arrests where cops place their full weight on someone's neck and head ( and I have been *amazed* that those suspects weren't killed or paralyzed. )

But yet, I haven't ( probably ) seen all the videos.

I don't want COPS pronouncing their "medical expertise"; I wanna hear it from the PROFESSIONALS who can accurately assess these types of injuries.

And people coming out days or weeks later with an alternate theory or narrative....PUHHHH-LEAZE.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

86 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Preliminary Baltimore police report: no evidence Gray fatally injured during arrest: ABC [View all] Novara Apr 2015 OP

was that ever an allegation? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #1

Oh, plenty of forensic video watchin' experts have said just that alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #22

my understanding is that it's always been understood that he was killed/injured geek tragedy Apr 2015 #24

No, I don't think that was "always understood".... TinkerTot55 Apr 2015 #58

But, if he was killed by one of their abusive "rough rides" that's still felony murder geek tragedy Apr 2015 #59

Agreed. TinkerTot55 Apr 2015 #61

Being slammed into the van isn't "during arrest"? arcane1 Apr 2015 #2

I think the arrest is one act underpants Apr 2015 #7

I'm guessing this official position represents the "he did it to himself" narrative. malthaussen Apr 2015 #8

I was getting coffee in the break room awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #72

I agree, this is some kind of double speak still_one Apr 2015 #40

My Exact Thought DallasNE Apr 2015 #42

That is one of the worst sharp_stick Apr 2015 #3

I know! Novara Apr 2015 #6

Hey, proofreaders cost money. malthaussen Apr 2015 #9

As a retired copy editor, I would be happy to offer my services (for a price of course). n/t RebelOne Apr 2015 #50

They were probably in a rush to get it out underpants Apr 2015 #10

Trying to be first with the story. Reuters does go back and edit published stories, thank goodness okaawhatever Apr 2015 #15

Now this is deep. I think the entire globe knows, without this secretive whitewash, because a man libdem4life Apr 2015 #4

Its police responsibility regardless project_bluebook Apr 2015 #5

Freddie Gray liberal from boston Apr 2015 #64

Sounds like no charges coming for these cops. FarPoint Apr 2015 #11

Any evidence of a "Baltimore Rough Ride"? mackdaddy Apr 2015 #12

the bolt pattern could be from the end of a baton Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #73

Gray's DNA Should Be All Over The Murder Weapon DallasNE Apr 2015 #74

Was Gray "cowboyed?" Archae Apr 2015 #13

It's also called a "nickel ride." Larry Engels Apr 2015 #28

Yes, he was still breathing but already grievously injured when they threw him in. He couldn't walk leveymg Apr 2015 #14

Jail. All of them. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #51

They should have called for an ambulance, not the meat wagon. leveymg Apr 2015 #57

Let the cover up begin! bluestateguy Apr 2015 #16

The other big headline this afternoon is that 100 cops have been injured underpants Apr 2015 #29

Are any of them dead? SwankyXomb Apr 2015 #68

They wanted to hurt him, hence no seat restraints. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #17

Friend of mine says it is a common police tactic in these type vehicles, they drive NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #32

Absolutely what happens - all in good fun, don't cha know! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #38

Here's my theory. Beauregard Apr 2015 #52

That's exactly what happened. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #62

Why would they cuff his feet? His legs were inoperable before they threw him in the wagon. n/t Judi Lynn May 2015 #78

I've seen videos of cops handcuffing a corpse or attempting nc4bo May 2015 #79

Uh-oh. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #18

Okay is this report from the Baltimore cops themselves or the person in the state they were jwirr Apr 2015 #19

Really? Did you see the video? Helen Borg Apr 2015 #20

Watch both videos from 2 angles. #14. Gray was unable to walk and in great pain as he was dragged leveymg Apr 2015 #21

Want to bet that the police cstanleytech Apr 2015 #26

It's like most cases of "suicide in custody." Blame the victim or the van driver. leveymg Apr 2015 #34

He may not have been injured during the arrest itself. But according to this he was injured when totodeinhere Apr 2015 #23

Of course not. KamaAina Apr 2015 #25

trust goes to below zero oldandhappy Apr 2015 #27

Terrible headline. Hissyspit Apr 2015 #30

ok, I get it.. the police didn't do it, the van did it. ellenrr Apr 2015 #31

First of all, NOTHING the cops EVER say, is true, unless by coincidence. Just like with cons. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #33

They're reporting it as if though it were an accident chowder66 Apr 2015 #35

Let's see how the new USAG handles this. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #41

Good points! nt chowder66 Apr 2015 #47

It Is Hard To See How They Could Have Been Following Existing Rules DallasNE Apr 2015 #44

I agree chowder66 Apr 2015 #46

We don't see the beginning of the take down. If someone 200 pds puts their rhett o rick Apr 2015 #36

NO!!!!! heaven05 Apr 2015 #37

something doesnt add up CullenBohannon Apr 2015 #39

Bring charges to the officers involved, and sue the hell out of the city. This is the first time still_one Apr 2015 #43

My opinion is He fingrin Apr 2015 #45

Crushed voice box ciaobaby Apr 2015 #48

Maybe not during "arrest," but while in "custody." Beauregard Apr 2015 #49

It's saying there's no evidence he was FATALLY injured during arrest. Demit Apr 2015 #53

The bullshit continues ciaobaby Apr 2015 #55

I'm suggesting that you parse what they say very closely. Demit Apr 2015 #65

Well aren't you sensitive. ciaobaby Apr 2015 #70

Just try not to be stupid. Demit Apr 2015 #71

"Gray sustained a head injury that matches bolt in the back of police van" n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #54

Theres a big difference fingrin Apr 2015 #56

Not buying it ciaobaby Apr 2015 #60

It's been suspected that they gave him a 'nickel ride' to punish him... PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #63

According to this evening's Guardian, Freddie Gray's head was rammed back onto a bolt in the van. Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #66

National attention 1HappyDemocrat Apr 2015 #67

So it's more important where the cops killed him rather than the fact that they killed him? nt valerief Apr 2015 #69

He was injured while in their custody treestar May 2015 #75

looks like more riots are in the making.... chillfactor May 2015 #76

how is the crushed larynx explained gwheezie May 2015 #77

Oh yeah there is that underpants May 2015 #80

We jumped the shark papertolio May 2015 #81

How about we still don't know the truth and may never know? nt nc4bo May 2015 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #83

Since when? cyberswede May 2015 #85

Then how do you know "we" jumped the shark? arcane1 May 2015 #86

So spontaneous throat crushing and spine severing??? workinclasszero May 2015 #84