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DallasNE

(7,991 posts)
8. Exactly What Has Been Predicted
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:40 PM
May 2015

Lessons of Vietnam were not learned so we are seeing a repeat here in Iraq. ISIS is like the Viet Cong and the Baghdad government is so like the ARVN. We have attempted to train government forces for roughly a dozen years so the answer is obviously not more training. Shiite troops have no interest in defending Sunni residents so they turn and run. Who couldn't see this coming? So the "will" Ash talks about applies less to the troops that refused to fight than to the central government that lacks the will to govern effectively or appropriately. Nation building is something that we still have not learned how to do so we just put in place the conditions that are ripe for failure -- now how stupid is that. And, no, we did not have it "won" but left too early as Republicans now charge. Indeed, the "surge" and awakening planted the seeds for what we see today as it just force al Qaeda in Iraq to retreat into Syria when we failed to secure that border and where they regrouped, changed their objectives and returned with vengeance.

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And that is to be a News Flash, Wellstone ruled May 2015 #1
Do you hear that? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #2
Yep, it's coming. nt bemildred May 2015 #3
I'm afraid of it and we haven't seen anything yet. Wait until a new President is installed Purveyor May 2015 #5
This is a war... sendero May 2015 #4
No, this is Iran vs Saudi Arabia over who will control the Mid East and the Persian Gulf. happyslug May 2015 #27
We've known about this for decades. procon May 2015 #6
And thats the whole point. Sadly, everyone is not ready for "democracy". 7962 May 2015 #7
these people are tribal. They do not want democracy. quadrature May 2015 #11
Right. There's a reason Iraq was ruled by the Sunni minority. They could fight. hollowdweller May 2015 #19
Exactly What Has Been Predicted DallasNE May 2015 #8
I doubt it would've happened if we stayed, but forever? 7962 May 2015 #9
if we had stayed? qazplm May 2015 #22
If we had stayed in force. But again, this wouldve returned as soon as we left. 7962 May 2015 #23
But If We Would Have Stayed DallasNE May 2015 #24
Just another reason to have never gone to begin with. nt 7962 May 2015 #25
Even after George Jr. brought them their democratic, 'blue finger' elections? What a surprise! jalan48 May 2015 #10
Let Sam do it. moondust May 2015 #12
I still think Iraq should be partitioned. DCBob May 2015 #13
And where was the US Air Force. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #14
If True, This is Bad, very bad.. BadGimp May 2015 #15
Many of the soldiers experienced ten years of bombings, then a decade fighting a foreign force, alfredo May 2015 #16
Says a man who never bothered to wear the uniform or pick up a rifle for TwilightGardener May 2015 #17
People determined to fight sulphurdunn May 2015 #18
BTW, Dempsey and Carter wrote off Ramadi as strategically unimportant in April. TwilightGardener May 2015 #20
Remember it like yesterday jamzrockz May 2015 #21
Put a wall around the whole middle east and let them all work out their own shit. n/t Binkie The Clown May 2015 #26
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