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Judi Lynn

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Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:48 PM Jun 2015

Witnesses: Semi-automatic gunfire dominated biker shootout [View all]

Source: Associated Press

Witnesses: Semi-automatic gunfire dominated biker shootout
By EMILY SCHMALL, Associated Press | June 6, 2015 | Updated: June 6, 2015 3:59pm

WACO, Texas (AP) — First came a few pistol shots, several witnesses said, then a barrage of rifle fire during the shootout last month at a Waco restaurant favored by bikers. But authorities still have not said how many of the dead and wounded were the result of police fire.

Police have identified only one assault weapon, a semi-automatic gun that fires high-powered ammunition, among the firearms confiscated from bikers, and that was found in a locked car after the shooting ended. But several witnesses — at least three of them veterans with weapons training — told The Associated Press that semi-automatic gunfire dominated the May 17 shootout that left nine dead and 18 wounded.

"I heard, 'pop, pop,' small caliber, and then a rapid succession of shots from what sounded to me like an assault rifle," said William English, a former Marine and Iraq war veteran who was approaching the front door of the Twin Peaks restaurant for a meeting of biker clubs.

. . .

Waco police have said they returned fire after being shot at, and call the witnesses' depictions of events incorrect. While those with pending charges may benefit by blaming authorities, police have declined to release detailed reports from that day and say they are still awaiting ballistic reports.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Witnesses-Semi-automatic-gunfire-dominated-biker-6311160.php

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Interesting, but doesn't really tell us anything. pnwmom Jun 2015 #1
No the part that is interesting and you seem to miss Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #3
I'd be surprised if virtually all the weapons involved weren't semi-automatic. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #9
Yes, I stand corrected Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #11
Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #59
No, I didn't miss that. It doesn't prove anything. pnwmom Jun 2015 #22
as far as the reporting, yes the police were there Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #23
Anything could have happened. But when we had a similar clash in a park near us pnwmom Jun 2015 #29
Yes, I carry a rifle on my bike all the time Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #30
What part do you not believe? pnwmom Jun 2015 #34
well since this is your initial post Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #36
To the victim of gun violence, whether the bullet pnwmom Jun 2015 #38
those goalposts should be getting heavy by now Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #40
Your efforts at distraction continue to fail. pnwmom Jun 2015 #41
too bad you were caught Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #42
And what I said was true, despite your efforts to distract. pnwmom Jun 2015 #43
The swat team was at the restaurant and the responded in seconds. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #45
Actually, it quite possibly could matter a great deal. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #60
keep moving them, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #37
When Have the Police Ever Lied?? Sparhawk60 Jun 2015 #71
I wonder whose bullets will be found in the bodies. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #2
Same kind as what killed Kennedy n/t Strelnikov_ Jun 2015 #32
The SWAT team was on site. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #46
There were at least 30 undercover cops there BEFORE anything started. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #48
"Happened to be shopping at the mall" in full regalia no less. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #49
Will this turn out to be a police massacre? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #4
That is a very ugly possibility. Chemisse Jun 2015 #7
More I read, more it is looking that way to me Strelnikov_ Jun 2015 #66
Praise the Lord they had their god-given rights to own and use a valerief Jun 2015 #5
By "they" sarisataka Jun 2015 #6
Americans! valerief Jun 2015 #20
It's a confusingly-written article: they make this point of "semi-automatic," but petronius Jun 2015 #8
Exactly. The "semi-automatic" part is irrelevant (I bet most all the involved guns were semi-auto) Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #10
Yep, if rifle bullets are recovered in any quantity Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #13
Perhaps the reporter is a graduate of the recent EGS-sponsored workshop petronius Jun 2015 #16
I sent asking for information a while back and this is Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #18
Ouch, that is just painful Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #19
*scratches head* Excuse my gun ignorance but when did caliber dictate that a gun was semi automatic cstanleytech Jun 2015 #24
There is no ignorance in your question Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #26
Oh good lord. A BATF rep actually said that? What a joke nt 7962 Jun 2015 #21
What an unreasonable expectation! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #61
HA!! Never thought of it that way! 7962 Jun 2015 #62
It was a set up maindawg Jun 2015 #12
OK Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #14
You may think this us funny, but a lot of people think this. AngryAmish Jun 2015 #15
Oh, I will Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #17
Interesting, mind posting a link to the video then please that your referring to? cstanleytech Jun 2015 #25
I am sure it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #27
There are two videos one from twin peaks and one from don carlos. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #52
Oh, I am sure there is surveillance videos Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #53
The video from don carlos likely shows much of the shooting. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #55
I agree, I think the police are the ones Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #56
Heres a video maindawg Jun 2015 #50
That video doesn't prove anything Renew Deal Jun 2015 #51
Ya well that is a video all right, purely an opinion based video but a video nonetheless. cstanleytech Jun 2015 #57
The guy in the video maindawg Jun 2015 #63
Very good questions but have such been confirmed to exist? cstanleytech Jun 2015 #64
yes maindawg Jun 2015 #65
That Is How Kent State Got Started DallasNE Jun 2015 #28
The bikers shouldn't have been doing any of the shooting. It's not their job. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #39
I am willing give them the benefit of doubt for the moment. cstanleytech Jun 2015 #58
.. RandySF Jun 2015 #31
Autopsy reports 1Greensix Jun 2015 #33
The Rest of the World is rightfully frightened by the runaway gun killing in America and the runaway Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #35
Huh? We're less violent than a majority of countries Recursion Jun 2015 #67
Interesting Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #68
Both are true, though the drop in homicide has been pretty consistent worldwide Recursion Jun 2015 #69
I've seen some provocative articles linking homicide to the use of leaded gas...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #70
read in news stories many police, Fed. police already there, like they were ready for action. Sunlei Jun 2015 #44
thanks for that video (deleted below mine) I guess we will see that parking lot video once police Sunlei Jun 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #47
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