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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Thor, I'll explain and didn't mean to offend, just to disagree.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:15 PM
Sep 2015

I neither believe Carson is as a "quiet and calm man" as you do, for the reason I stated, nor do I assume evidence that Trump's comment was racist is very thin.

Trump has made a number of well documented comments about inferior traits of "the blacks, "the Jews," "the Mexicans," "women," "our leaders" and others. His belief in the inferiority of others is one of his most outstanding characteristics.

The strongest argument against expressing a specific racial insult against a black man in this case (and against "the blacks," "the Jews," women, and other groups in others) is that he's likely a clinically diagnosable narcissist who -- again -- believes ALL people are inferior to him.

Another argument against specific bias in this instance is that I suspect Trump may be literally incapable of seeing how others may interpret his stream-of-consciousness comments. Witness reactions to those about how beautiful and desirable HIS daughter is. Of course -- she's HIS creation and that is how he evaluates the worth of women. I strongly doubt he was admitting to a desire to bed her, just boasting about HIS daughter.

So in the same misunderstood way, what would almost certainly have been an overt, dog-whistle-type racist comment from another may have been just yet another irrational evaluation of an "inferior."

But, still, it seems to me that to generously assume this statement was probably not racist in light of all his baised comments on record is probably not warranted. Also, and not at all least -- intent to be racist is not required to be racist.

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Ben Carson is a quiet, calm person. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #1
OK, if you say so. nm progree Sep 2015 #2
Have you ever seen Ben Carson speak? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #4
If you say so, whatever. nm progree Sep 2015 #5
I do. I did. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #8
See 9. Bye. progree Sep 2015 #10
OK, I see that you think Ben is able to get lots of stuff done. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #12
Poor Ben Carson. Black politicians HAVE to seem "calm" or risk being Hortensis Sep 2015 #30
Wow, where did you pull that from? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #37
Thor, I'll explain and didn't mean to offend, just to disagree. Hortensis Sep 2015 #38
I've known a lot of quite calm people that are also energetic. One doesn't progree Sep 2015 #9
No, saying that is not 'a fact' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #11
Opinions vary, especially when people are operating on multiple definitions. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #13
Opinions vary, and that's why it's not 'a fact'; it was your, and Trump's, opinion muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #14
Not to mention his stereotyping of Asians and Latino immigrants progree Sep 2015 #15
Huh, I don't "Bye" means what you think it means... Thor_MN Sep 2015 #16
Or suggesting that he's not very bright. And his nasty stereotypical comments about women, progree Sep 2015 #18
I never mentioned anything about that. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #20
In my OP I included the comments about energy and not being very bright progree Sep 2015 #21
Trump didn't say that Carson wasn't bright. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #23
Not directly, but yes, he implied it. Even the AP inferred that too (read the OP) progree Sep 2015 #25
Where is your post claiming Stephanie Miller is racist? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #27
"you have to call everyone who says Carson is not exciting, a racist." progree Sep 2015 #28
That's the only part where Trump made a comment about Carson. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #36
Only someone who is incredibly obtuse progree Sep 2015 #40
Trump did not say Carson was not bright, nor lacked deal making skills. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #41
And claiming that he didn't have Carson in mind when talking about him in the same sentence progree Sep 2015 #43
Your lack of understanding what I am saying is as deep as your failure on Trump. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #44
Yup. Same to you buddy: progree Sep 2015 #46
Excellent observations. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #19
He's also said Jeb! was low-energy too bigworld Sep 2015 #3
I'm thinking "energy" is a code word for virility. ananda Sep 2015 #7
bingo!! it's the equivalent of bashing women's looks to Trump--insinuating they're impotent zazen Sep 2015 #33
Oh Oh! I think Madam Lafarge is knitting Ben Carson out of the clown car marble falls Sep 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Sunlei Sep 2015 #17
So tired he's a "retired" Neurosurgeon Sunlei Sep 2015 #22
"these Japanese guys that are going to come against you in waves" - WTF? KeepItReal Sep 2015 #24
He is so fucking stupid he mixed up the Japanese in WW2 with the Chinese in the Korean War... winstars Sep 2015 #31
Why, he's multi-cultural after all! Chinese, Japanese, squeee! Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #26
Lo T? gwheezie Sep 2015 #29
Energy Czar Geronimoe Sep 2015 #32
Maybe Ben's campaign logo could be "Ben!" CTyankee Sep 2015 #34
Trump is correct on this one. Vinca Sep 2015 #35
Carson is scarier than Trump ram2008 Sep 2015 #39
Trump is confusing energy and mania Skittles Sep 2015 #42
LOL. Yup, I think there's something to that. progree Sep 2015 #45
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