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127. A lot of people prefer the soap opera quality of elections

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 06:26 AM

Nov 2015

Most of those in the news media do (ratings=$$$), of course, but I believe many others enjoy the thrill they feel in the reptile part of their brains when elections are reduced to petty personality squabbles or demonizing Muslims, immigrants, socialists, fill in the blank.

Start seriously talking (i.e., not just bloviating rhetoric) about how the economy has become increasingly rigged since Reagan to benefit a tiny elite and what needs to be done about, about our collapsing infrastructure and what needs to be done about it, about climate change and what needs to be done about it, and about other complex issues that profoundly affect us all and people's eyes glaze over.

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Bernie Sanders says the tone of the Democratic presidential race has become too personal [View all] Omaha Steve Oct 2015 OP

Actually it has barely started. mdbl Oct 2015 #1

It has - but mostly on Hillary's part. forest444 Oct 2015 #2

He told HER "all the shouting in the world" won't help with gun control and then pretended pnwmom Oct 2015 #11

I don't view him as a shouter - I think he's pissed off @the corporate control wordpix Oct 2015 #13

If Hillary raised her volume to the level he often uses, she would be accused of shouting. pnwmom Oct 2015 #14

He didn't single her out. Everything is not about Hillary, believe it or not! Live and Learn Oct 2015 #25

He answered her calm and reasoned statement by talking about shouting. pnwmom Oct 2015 #40

Still doesn't mean it was about her. And what he said was true. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #48

What was true? Who was shouting? He was the only one shouting about anything. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #57

I didn't hear him shouting at all. I guess it is all a matter of perception. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #59

You don't? His voice cracks and breaks because all he DOES is shout. MADem Oct 2015 #32

Your posts are becoming more ridiculous by the day. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #49

I talk about the candidate, you talk about me. Personal insult isn't the way to win an argument. MADem Nov 2015 #53

Wrong again, I was talking about your post. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #60

I have to admire your willpower.... daleanime Oct 2015 #31

I don't think he's sexist. But somehow he's perceiving her as shouting pnwmom Oct 2015 #33

See what I mean about your willpower? daleanime Oct 2015 #38

Elizabeth Warren has spoken out about the sexism she and other women in government pnwmom Oct 2015 #41

Link to her saying what Bernie said was about Hillary and that it was sexist please. cui bono Oct 2015 #45

As soon as you show me a link where Hillary says that Bernie was sexist. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #47

Why? I never made that assertion. I merely requested you to back up yours. cui bono Nov 2015 #72

I was responding to complaints that she was saying he was sexist. pnwmom Nov 2015 #74

thats the point: Karma13612 Nov 2015 #102

Bernie has used the phrase "shouting about gun control" many times. Francois9 Nov 2015 #91

So he's a robot and this is a habit. Okay. Why is he allowed to shout whenever he feels like it pnwmom Nov 2015 #101

I hear HRC always Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #104

That's not the point. Francois9 Nov 2015 #110

He was responding directly to her statement about his positions on gun control. And now you are pnwmom Nov 2015 #112

I guess once you've had the "click," the world looks different to you. Francois9 Nov 2015 #123

Thanks for posting this extremely helpful info. This is dispositive in my view about his intent. JudyM Nov 2015 #105

They weren't directed to her at all. Red Knight Oct 2015 #42

Of course they were. They were a direct response to her statement about disagreeing with him pnwmom Oct 2015 #46

No, he did not. You just won't accept it. cui bono Oct 2015 #43

Yes, he did. You just will not accept it. riversedge Nov 2015 #78

If this shouting issue is all that Hillary (Bill ) has INdemo Nov 2015 #86

"all the shouting in the world" is a common turn of speech Matariki Nov 2015 #113

But she wasn't shouting and he named her and specifically addressed her. pnwmom Nov 2015 #115

"she wasn't shouting" - which pretty much proves that the statement was impersonal. Matariki Nov 2015 #116

No, it doesn't. Women who are merely being assertive are OFTEN accused pnwmom Nov 2015 #118

Logic 101 Matariki Nov 2015 #121

She would never attack him if she weren't afraid of him. Francois9 Nov 2015 #85

Welcome! And you are absolutely correct on that! peacebird Nov 2015 #88

In politics just as in life, right? forest444 Nov 2015 #99

He wants to talk issues. SoapBox Oct 2015 #3

He wants to shout about the issues he cares about, and he often does. pnwmom Oct 2015 #15

Any idea how ridiculous you look running around this thread, trying to make something stick? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #22

Probably so but from my observations it has been doc03 Oct 2015 #4

The whole thing was so stupid. azmom Oct 2015 #5

It's more than just "coming across as" Scootaloo Oct 2015 #9

Hillary nasty attacks may be doing Bernie a favor, in the long run 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #6

Nah-he is just crying to the press now-suspose that is a good 'skill' to develop???? riversedge Oct 2015 #18

He's calling Hills out for deliberately smearing him as being sexist. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #21

He needs to bone up instead of whine to the press. riversedge Oct 2015 #23

I see it very differently, which I've already explained, so I'll agree to disagree. no biggie. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #26

Bone up? What the hell does that mean? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #29

That's a sad little stretch. Or did you never go to high school, or college? MADem Oct 2015 #34

Another patronizing post not addressing the essence of the post, what a surprise. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #35

The essence of MaDems post is that MaDem took a teachable moment --and took the riversedge Nov 2015 #77

Now the word 'Teachable' Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #106

I was referring to the riversedge Nov 2015 #107

You might want to look up the word "patronizing". cui bono Nov 2015 #111

Thanks for educating that poster. Much apprecitated. riversedge Nov 2015 #76

I am glad you were able to learn another term from riversedge Nov 2015 #75

You mean like Hillary did about being told she was shouting? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #66

Bone up on what exactly? PaulaFarrell Nov 2015 #69

Exactly. It is quite obvious what was implied despite their denials. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #94

Sanders has had ample opportunity to apologize to Clinton, he used her name Secretary Clinton about Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #7

Bernie's not about to "apologize" for saying the same exact words he'd been saying 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #28

Then the consequences will be his to accept. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #50

And Hillary's will be hers to accept. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #61

Are you saying Hillary is responsible for calling Secretary Clinton and the rest about shouting, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #65

Troll logic doesn't work with me. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #84

Oh for god's sake! Plucketeer Nov 2015 #97

Then explain to those who continuously returning to this over and over and over. It is oblivious Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #98

The fact you say he should apologize shows how you troll Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #114

Yep, he fired the first (and probably second and third) shots and it didn't get him anywhere, so.... George II Oct 2015 #39

Yes, it did not turn out as he thought, calling Secretary Clinton, it made it personal to her. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #51

Maybe, just maybe, if he stopped shouting at people about shouting, he'd do better. MADem Oct 2015 #44

He shouts often, maybe shouting is not a problem to him. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #52

It is to at least some of his listeners. It's not the way to draw people in. nt MADem Nov 2015 #56

There ya go Plucketeer Nov 2015 #100

Hillary's Campaign Is Pathetic billhicks76 Oct 2015 #8

The only place the campaign will ride to is the Oval office riversedge Oct 2015 #19

She Is A Bush Family Collaborator billhicks76 Nov 2015 #125

Pathetic post redstateblues Oct 2015 #27

Only if you are a Hillary fan. For the rest of us... Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #70

Lol billhicks76 Nov 2015 #126

Hillary is being so bossy mwrguy Oct 2015 #10

Some Say Hillary Clinton Didn't Do This, That It Was Her Campaign People NonMetro Oct 2015 #12

Exactly ^^^^ n/t indivisibleman Oct 2015 #17

She didn't use the word but the implication is certainly there. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #62

Exactly! NonMetro Nov 2015 #83

Bingo! peacebird Nov 2015 #89

I hope Sanders rips her a new one for her vote on Iraq. Warmongering is KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #95

thank you. You stated this perfectly, waaay better than I could have. nt Karma13612 Nov 2015 #103

let's just compare their proposals for reducing gun violence & see who wins the debate wordpix Oct 2015 #16

sure pinebox Oct 2015 #20

Ask them to compare on EVERY issue. That would do her in. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #63

Not even enough. The Civil War, that was personal. This is nuthin', yet. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #24

Hillary can't run on the issues so she made up the ridiculous charge that Sanders is sexist. Bernblu Oct 2015 #30

Why not give us the actual quote where she charged Sanders of being a sexist? George II Oct 2015 #37

Not possible since it did not happen. But there have been lots of accusations she did, funny how Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #54

So where is the quote of Clinton's calling him a "sexist"? George II Nov 2015 #58

So he's walking back starting the personal war? George II Oct 2015 #36

Oh, Clinton will get REALLY personal. It's how she rolls. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #55

Like when she claimed that McCain crossed the Commander-in-Chief threshold davidpdx Nov 2015 #71

"Commander in Chief threshold"? Francois9 Nov 2015 #92

Sanders supporters have been attacking Hillary for months right here. 6000eliot Nov 2015 #64

Well, that's how they roll. Beacool Nov 2015 #109

We/ve been attacking her positions on endless war, welfare deform, and letting banksters off eridani Nov 2015 #120

Well done, Bernie won't play games flamingdem Nov 2015 #67

Hey I wasn't in your yard MyNameGoesHere Nov 2015 #73

All the shouting in the world is not going to do what I hope all of us want. FreedomRain Nov 2015 #79

I know Bernie had hoped for a civil campaign, but that was not realistic. Vinca Nov 2015 #80

Bernie's statement, " all the shouting in the world" was about as impersonal as a statement can JDPriestly Nov 2015 #81

This is a made-up controversy that makes Hillary look like an overly sensitive whiner. Yes it does. djean111 Nov 2015 #82

+1 Matariki Nov 2015 #117

EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF POLITICS PRACTICED TODAY! cynzke Nov 2015 #87

Lol: It is as old as polictics: blame your opponent for being a meeny. Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #90

This is mild compared to what a well-funded GOP candidate has in store for the Democratic nominee. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #93

Fortunately, all that Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #108

This is my feeling exactly Blasphemer Nov 2015 #119

After the 2008 primary, sulphurdunn Nov 2015 #96

Just look at this thread. How will we ever discuss the issues? Matariki Nov 2015 #122

A lot of people prefer the soap opera quality of elections deutsey Nov 2015 #127

As Harry Truman said, if you can't take the heat The Second Stone Nov 2015 #124