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15. Agreed. A huge blow. I also think perhaps there may have been some expectation that we, the U.S.

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:53 AM

Dec 2011

would be joined by South America in forming a large western hemisphere trading bloc. And all those oil and other resources
so close yet so far now from our grasp. I think the southern leaders (under Chavez's prompting) were wise to join
forces and link arms or the US would have used the insideous 'free market' takeover and any other sordid attempts in our bag of tricks to secure our power in that region.
We tried to do that in Russia by hooking up with some of the big western-friendly oil oligarchs who had seized so many of Russia's resources. But Putin saw the writing on the wall and kicked them AND us out and nationalized/ reclaimed those resources. The same is happening in South America. The jig is up for free market capitalists. The tide has turned and something new is trying to emerge though it's unclear exactly what that is because regardless of what world leaders would like to implement, the people all over the world are fed up with deeply entrenched corruption, regardless of the system. Now Africa is in the sights of resource-hungry countries
.... and on it goes. Clearly a very simplified version of a complex situation, but I think that's the basics.

Meanwhile, the icecaps are melting at record speed...

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US rejects Hugo Chavez remarks on Latin America cancer [View all] bemildred Dec 2011 OP

One part of me says this is far-fetched. The other knows better Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #1

Really? What are the "stranger forms of regime change" than by spreading cancer that the US Renew Deal Dec 2011 #3

You might want to read... Wind Dancer Dec 2011 #6

I don't have access to your book right now Renew Deal Dec 2011 #7

It says dotymed Dec 2011 #22

If someone cites a book they should point out what it says Renew Deal Dec 2011 #39

Basically the premise is kenfrequed Dec 2011 #56

Waste of space? Wind Dancer Dec 2011 #65

Oh please. 99th_Monkey Dec 2011 #16

It's a fairly simple question. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #43

What is common knowledge? liberalmike27 Dec 2011 #53

Study Cuba kenfrequed Dec 2011 #54

I assume the poster was referring to this RZM Dec 2011 #55

Sure.. kenfrequed Dec 2011 #59

Oh of course its not impossible but then neither is me winning the powerball its just cstanleytech Dec 2011 #4

Personally, I think the "odds" are quite different ... imho. ~nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2011 #18

Maybe Chavez should look at the Russians. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #2

Yeah, because the US has never engaged in biological terrorism. David__77 Dec 2011 #5

So was the infection of so many Guatemalan citizens with syphyllis, without their knowledge. Judi Lynn Dec 2011 #9

The US is also killing off huge amounts of leftists with heart disease. boppers Dec 2011 #8

+1 JDPriestly Dec 2011 #10

So you think Bush's reinstituting the policy allowing for the assassination of world leaders was a Dover Dec 2011 #11

The rise of the left in South America has been a huge blow to the Global Capitalists. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #12

Agreed. A huge blow. I also think perhaps there may have been some expectation that we, the U.S. Dover Dec 2011 #15

+1....n/t unkachuck Dec 2011 #91

It's possible, but using poisons or radioactive rays or whatever to do it JDPriestly Dec 2011 #13

"They WOULD do it" is equivalent to "they DID do it" when there's moral indigation to be had. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #14

Is ''lickspittle'' another word for ''conspiracy nut''? Octafish Dec 2011 #25

It is science fiction. Robin Cook beat Chavez to this over 20 years ago RZM Dec 2011 #17

A lot of science fiction ends up coming true. Neoma Dec 2011 #70

I can believe I am targeted for death by bush, or space nazis, or whatever.... boppers Dec 2011 #19

Ah, so you're saying that although you think the idea is absurd, you would approve? JackRiddler Dec 2011 #67

Or I believe insane, and delusional people, kill. boppers Dec 2011 #96

You seem to be confusing the killers and their targets, however. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #99

What did I mean? boppers Dec 2011 #101

Yes, but what did you mean by "it's time for somebody to step up"? JackRiddler Dec 2011 #102

You don't know how podiums work? boppers Dec 2011 #103

The context of this thread made me wonder, but if that's what you mean, fine. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #104

JD, a few years ago, Drone strikes would have been dotymed Dec 2011 #23

Why would drone strikes have been considered crazy? DissedByBush Dec 2011 #45

I was referring to the immorality of killing innocents... dotymed Dec 2011 #84

Who is killed is a separate issue from the method of weapon delivery n/t DissedByBush Dec 2011 #89

We've using man-less munitions for over 50 years. boppers Dec 2011 #97

How do you know others around them haven't gotten cancer? lunatica Dec 2011 #34

Everybody I know, and everybody you know, has cancer. boppers Dec 2011 #98

Low level chronic neurotoxic exposures are commonly used to kill, maim and disable political/ AikidoSoul Dec 2011 #94

Shhhh. Don't let the secret out. COLGATE4 Dec 2011 #27

Sure... kenfrequed Dec 2011 #50

vocalized musing receives a pro forma, news at 11. NuttyFluffers Dec 2011 #20

I didn't think the U.S. was doing cancerous assassinations JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2011 #21

"Horrific and reprehensible" describes "our" dotymed Dec 2011 #24

"All" left leaning leaders? COLGATE4 Dec 2011 #28

I don't really believe this, however obamanut2012 Dec 2011 #26

I think it's funny he got them to deny it. bemildred Dec 2011 #30

LOL EFerrari Dec 2011 #32

How did 'he' get them to deny it? Victoria Nuland was asked a question by a reporter msanthrope Dec 2011 #42

"Chavez' deft diplomacy" bemildred Dec 2011 #49

R#7 & K for, started to bwah-hah but sad, well ya get what you vote for/Venezuela n/t UTUSN Dec 2011 #29

Apply some common sense Lurks Often Dec 2011 #31

Why any response at all? Solly Mack Dec 2011 #33

+1. bemildred Dec 2011 #35

Hey bemildred Solly Mack Dec 2011 #37

She was asked a direct question by a reporter. msanthrope Dec 2011 #38

She should have stuck with "not worthy of comment". nt bemildred Dec 2011 #40

So, having been proven incorrect, you now grouse about her form? msanthrope Dec 2011 #44

"Proven"? bemildred Dec 2011 #47

The best response would have been DissedByBush Dec 2011 #48

I like your latter response, best....nt msanthrope Dec 2011 #52

Um, it was a State Department briefing, and she was asked a direct question. msanthrope Dec 2011 #36

Google is great, isn't it? nt bemildred Dec 2011 #41

Especially when 5 seconds on it dispels notions of Chavez's diplomatic prowess. msanthrope Dec 2011 #51

Assuming one thinks that clowning around is diplomatic prowess. nt bemildred Dec 2011 #57

That Chavez is a clown is something you and I agree upon. The people of Venezuela, however, pay the msanthrope Dec 2011 #60

Your deep concern about the people of Venezuela is noted. nt bemildred Dec 2011 #62

LOL Thank you! I assumed it was during a Q&A, as I didn't assume Nuland was a blurter who had Solly Mack Dec 2011 #46

I don't think she was defensive. More dismissive. nt msanthrope Dec 2011 #58

:) Solly Mack Dec 2011 #61

Notice Ms. Nuland never denied it. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2011 #83

Because the US plotting to kill other countries' leaders would be so very new and unlikely . . . TomClash Dec 2011 #63

It's not even 'conspiracy theory.' It's batshit nuts. nt msanthrope Dec 2011 #64

That's what they said about Mario Savio TomClash Dec 2011 #69

Jeebus. Way to dis Mario Savio. nt msanthrope Dec 2011 #74

Oh please TomClash Dec 2011 #76

Against Mario Savio? Mario Savio died because of AF. msanthrope Dec 2011 #81

It's called an analogy TomClash Dec 2011 #86

Revere? Don't think so. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #77

Read misanthrope sig line TomClash Dec 2011 #78

I understand all that. I just think he is an obscure American and not revered. That's all. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #79

Hm. The Reagan Memorial is thataway. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #87

So I am a republican because Savio is not a household name? OK, nt. hack89 Dec 2011 #90

Who said you're a Republican? Just pointing you to a "revered American." JackRiddler Dec 2011 #92

Well - being reasonably well known to a majority of Americans would be a good starting point. hack89 Dec 2011 #95

speaking of 'batshit' insane, ever see the Clooney movie: "Men who stare at Goats"? marasinghe Dec 2011 #93

As the son and nephew of breast cancer survivors... iandhr Dec 2011 #66

The only honest answer Ms. Nuland could have given... JackRiddler Dec 2011 #68

Seriously if the US wanted to assassinate these Latin American leaders fujiyama Dec 2011 #71

Exactly, if they wanted to send a "warning" they would do something like cstanleytech Dec 2011 #72

Yeah, just like Castro. EFerrari Dec 2011 #75

Yup just like Castro since he is 85 years old the odds are higher and higher something would get him cstanleytech Dec 2011 #85

I think that's probably lost on most here. dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #108

Happy New Year, dipsydoodle! EFerrari Jan 2012 #110

They did try what they thought was a 'more efficient method' sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #80

And the kicker is that each one has done quite well treestar Dec 2011 #82

Well, now I'm suspicious. DireStrike Dec 2011 #73

He's probably thinking of 'The Karen Silkwood Story.' freshwest Dec 2011 #88

Let's not overlook/underestimate aliens Islandlife Dec 2011 #100

Seems like a non-denial denial. n/t daleo Jan 2012 #105

On the basis of this topic, I'm going to buy stock in every tin foil-related company I can find. PavePusher Jan 2012 #106

I still can't believe Nuland is our State Dept. spokesperson n/t Enrique Jan 2012 #107

Perhaps regulations are to blame, as in the lack of. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #109