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Robb

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10. I don't think Iran even has an RQ-170.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 06:42 PM
Dec 2011


There are a few pretty good analyses out there (and a few kind of funny ones) that outline several problems with the photographs and video Iran has put forward of the UAV they claim to have brought down electronically.

Iran's track record on actually having shot down what they've said they did speaks for itself. Our own government (and President) are being more than a little vague -- yes, we lost a UAV. No, we won't confirm the one on Iran TV is the one we lost. Yes, we've asked Iran to let us have it back if it's ours. And so on. There's a sense, at least to me, that we're not in on the joke.

The RQ-170 was Lockheed's big return to the UAV market. It's a fairly secret aircraft, in that there are only a handful of bad photos in the public sphere of it. I find it revealing (!) that the UAV Iran is showing us is being shown in no new ways, at no new angles -- in other words, we're not seeing a detail of the exhaust, which would be a first (and something I'd LOVE to get a look at), or a close-up of the landing gear, or any indication of sensor placement.

This is all stuff that a haphazard filming -- which is what we're kind of led to believe this was -- would probably show us. But no dice. Instead we've got this weird table-skirt banner stuff, and a brief walk from the magician's distance around the front of the thing.

Another matter that no one's latched onto yet: part numbers. A typical Lockheed UAV system will have more than 1,000 parts, each with its own number; 90% of those parts will have the number printed or stamped on them. A single part number would go a long way.

Finally, as I was using Google's image search to find more pictures of the thing Iran's showing us, I stumbled across this:




It's probably pure coincidence that Iranian students built this last year, and that it looks so similar in construction materials. It's a small drone called the Shir Dal.
NAH krucial Dec 2011 #1
These are not the drones you are looking for. icymist Dec 2011 #9
LOL n/t 41mag Dec 2011 #37
Must not be all that stealthy DocMac Dec 2011 #2
This is, on the whole, a good thing. Parity is safer. saras Dec 2011 #3
Should we give nuclear weapons to North Korea? former9thward Dec 2011 #15
What would this have to do with parity? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2011 #17
Can't they just Google it? n/t geomon666 Dec 2011 #4
Well, I bet not having a network of satellites will put a cramp in that effort. BOHICA12 Dec 2011 #5
That's what I'd do if one fell in my backyard. hunter Dec 2011 #6
Perhaps they already have (or China did it for them) Po_d Mainiac Dec 2011 #8
Maybe China made it dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #16
is there an app for that? Po_d Mainiac Dec 2011 #19
I have doubts about Iran's ability to reverse engineer the drone and the internal electronics Lurks Often Dec 2011 #7
exactly, remember the rumors about China reverse engineering in the 70s didn't work out very well. grantcart Dec 2011 #11
They can probably analyse it to determine how it works, but they wouldn't be able to replicate it FarCenter Dec 2011 #13
That's an incorrect stereotype. Xithras Dec 2011 #32
It's not a stereotype Lurks Often Dec 2011 #33
The Iranians don't seem to have much interest in building a modern manned air force Xithras Dec 2011 #35
I don't think Iran even has an RQ-170. Robb Dec 2011 #10
The detail of the intake grill should be a good indicator FarCenter Dec 2011 #12
More than a passing resemblance to an F117a inlet. Robb Dec 2011 #14
The more I look at the picture, the more I am inclined to agree with you. Lurks Often Dec 2011 #21
"... the magician's distance" hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, also--> good post! (nt) Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #24
OK...I gotta' ask...what is the "magician's distance?" Adsos Letter Dec 2011 #42
During a magic act, the magician leads you to believe... Frank Cannon Dec 2011 #43
Ah, thanks! Makes sense now, given the context of Robb's usage. Adsos Letter Dec 2011 #45
Those skirts Plucketeer Dec 2011 #18
What goes around... Mosaic Dec 2011 #20
Iran to 'reverse engineer' US drone Snarkoleptic Dec 2011 #22
Appears to me from the posts on this thread that since Iran is still in the Stone Age, mbperrin Dec 2011 #23
Nuclear weapons are relatively low tech Lurks Often Dec 2011 #30
I don't see anyone saying they're primitive and stupid fujiyama Dec 2011 #40
Exactly n/t Lurks Often Dec 2011 #41
Didn't GW Bush essentially hand over a spy plane to the Chinese... Frank Cannon Dec 2011 #44
Every bit of info they gain helps fujiyama Dec 2011 #46
Still don't understand why no auto-self-destruct for a 5 million dollar piece of tech? Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #25
Maybe it's just waiting till the right people are in the room... Azathoth Dec 2011 #26
Y'know, that's just crazy enough to work! Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #27
That is very curious. At least a small pyrotechic device to destroy the electronics/data seems truthisfreedom Dec 2011 #28
Maybe the drone just isn't that special? Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #29
Most of the sensitive software is most likely encrypted. Xithras Dec 2011 #34
That's another especially good question, in context. Robb Dec 2011 #31
With the level of waste by the MIC, why would we think we get value for our money? mbperrin Dec 2011 #36
Looks as if 41mag Dec 2011 #38
Yeah... CJvR Dec 2011 #39
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