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In reply to the discussion: Georgia ACLU director resigns over transgender fight [View all]oberliner
(58,724 posts)46. I think this is the article you mean
Even in Liberal Communities, Transgender Bathroom Laws Worry Parents
Girls from a swim team in New York Citys Upper West Side are too scared to use the womens locker room at a Parks Department swimming pool. In March, a sign appeared noting that everyone has the the right to use the restroom or locker room consistent with their gender identity or gender expression. Around the same time, the girls, who range in age from about seven to 18, became concerned after they saw a bearded individual in the womens changing room.
They are now using the family changing room to change in and out of their swimsuits, but it is not big enough for all 18 girls.
The complexity of this situation reveals some of the struggles that public institutions are facing as they implement policies that aim to ensure the rights of transgender individuals. And now these issues are about to go national. On May 13, the Obama administration warned public schools that they must allow transgender students to use the bathrooms and locker rooms of the gender with which they identify.
Even in states that have had more progressive gender identity policies in place for a while, like New York, unforeseen headaches have arisen. Not all restrooms are alike. A bathroom with individual stalls that offer some privacy, for example, is different from a locker room or changing room. A locker room in a school is different from a changing room in a public facility such as a recreation center or local pool, which people of all ages use at the same time.
http://time.com/4324687/even-in-liberal-communities-transgender-bathroom-laws-worry-parents/
Girls from a swim team in New York Citys Upper West Side are too scared to use the womens locker room at a Parks Department swimming pool. In March, a sign appeared noting that everyone has the the right to use the restroom or locker room consistent with their gender identity or gender expression. Around the same time, the girls, who range in age from about seven to 18, became concerned after they saw a bearded individual in the womens changing room.
They are now using the family changing room to change in and out of their swimsuits, but it is not big enough for all 18 girls.
The complexity of this situation reveals some of the struggles that public institutions are facing as they implement policies that aim to ensure the rights of transgender individuals. And now these issues are about to go national. On May 13, the Obama administration warned public schools that they must allow transgender students to use the bathrooms and locker rooms of the gender with which they identify.
Even in states that have had more progressive gender identity policies in place for a while, like New York, unforeseen headaches have arisen. Not all restrooms are alike. A bathroom with individual stalls that offer some privacy, for example, is different from a locker room or changing room. A locker room in a school is different from a changing room in a public facility such as a recreation center or local pool, which people of all ages use at the same time.
http://time.com/4324687/even-in-liberal-communities-transgender-bathroom-laws-worry-parents/
It goes on to identify this situation:
According to one mother of a swim team member, Ellen Vandevort, her daughter was just leaving the locker room in late April when a person who was bald, with heavy stubble and a towel at waist level, stepped out of the shower. Her daughter and the younger girls on the team, says Vandevort, grew alarmed and reported it to the swim coach who suggested that the girls change in the family shower room.
An employee at the center who spoke on condition of anonymity says the individual using the locker room appears to present as a manwearing swim shorts or trunks to swim, with sideburns going down into a beardwhich is partly what alarms the girls and their parents. Staff members have also been warned that asking individuals to prove their gender identity would be discriminatory. Our hands are tied, the worker said.We cant say anything about it.
The sign posted outside the locker room in March that affirmed the right of anyone to use the facility that corresponds with their gender identity also noted that individuals cannot be asked to show identification, medical documentation or any other form of proof or verification of gender and that anybody who abuses this policy to assault, harass, intimidate, or otherwise interfere with an individuals rights can be prosecuted.
An employee at the center who spoke on condition of anonymity says the individual using the locker room appears to present as a manwearing swim shorts or trunks to swim, with sideburns going down into a beardwhich is partly what alarms the girls and their parents. Staff members have also been warned that asking individuals to prove their gender identity would be discriminatory. Our hands are tied, the worker said.We cant say anything about it.
The sign posted outside the locker room in March that affirmed the right of anyone to use the facility that corresponds with their gender identity also noted that individuals cannot be asked to show identification, medical documentation or any other form of proof or verification of gender and that anybody who abuses this policy to assault, harass, intimidate, or otherwise interfere with an individuals rights can be prosecuted.
That does seem problematic, doesn't it?
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My kids were visibly frightened. I was scared. And I was ill-prepared to answer their questions,”
AlbertCat
Jun 2016
#4
Many women, especially ones who have been raped or assulted when they were girls,
Boudica the Lyoness
Jun 2016
#6
I would agree the b word is slightly over the top, but telling a bigot to sit down and shut up?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#17
I will agree with you, I just do not think trans people do their cause any good when they slide
AntiBank
Jun 2016
#18
Its largely inconsequential, particularly to the larger culture, and not so much "anti-female" as...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#19
"Its still used quite liberally(pardon the pun) in the larger culture, even by women."
Behind the Aegis
Jun 2016
#20
Its just really aggravating and just insane, protect the privacy of, I guess in their heads...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#23
All I did was bring it to Skinner's attention, tried to alert, then alerted on the failed alert...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#123
Nice to see that you're getting your quotes from bigoted right-wing sites, I guess?
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#25
sorry, I just pasted it from this site, its an Italian/English site and I meant no insult or harm
AntiBank
Jun 2016
#31
I was the one to post this whole article in the first place, to point out transphobia in an
AntiBank
Jun 2016
#33
I don't use the term out of principal, but I hear other women call women that somewhat frequently.
Crash2Parties
Jun 2016
#121
Are you concerned about the long term effects of the drugs your child will need to ingest
HillareeeHillaraah
Jun 2016
#34
What the fuck type of stalls are you using? And how does this relate to transwomen...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#13
But what if a cis-male chose to use those facilities for inappropriate reasons
oberliner
Jun 2016
#48
Because they would be acting inappropriately in the bathroom? Is this rocket science to you...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#61
If he presents as male and identifies as male, then that would be the recourse...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#86
There is no rule that a person must look a certain way to use a certain restroom.
oberliner
Jun 2016
#90
The issue is that the nefarious purposes would be, most of the time, illegal...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#94
There's no way to control for that, that argument would also apply...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#102
Is the issue any different if it were a cisgender lesbian or bisexual?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#115
Many trans women are the victims of rape and assault. Don't their feelings matter?
yardwork
Jun 2016
#27
That's because there are many fewer trans people. But they are at much higher risk.
yardwork
Jun 2016
#73
So wait, half of all cisgender women and girls have been victims of sexual assault?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#88
The problem is that there is no recourse to remove a cis-male from a female locker room
oberliner
Jun 2016
#85
A solution to what? Its a fucking made up problem brought about by transphobes...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#64
If you disagree on something as fundamental as equal treatment, fuck yes that's bigoted! n/t
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#65
What concerns? What problems? Has there been a dramatic increase in sexual assaults in bathrooms...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#70
Uhm, its right there in the rules, they can't ask for proof, they can ask if they are transgender.
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#87
In that case, there is no issue. If they aren't acting inappropriately, then no problems.
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#92
In the Time Mag story, the girls felt uncomfortable changing in a locker room with an adult male
oberliner
Jun 2016
#95
People can't control other people's feelings, there are all sorts of situations where people...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#96
It is possible to develop bathrooms where no one is made uncomfortable that does no discriminate.
Agnosticsherbet
Jun 2016
#51
How about what was done largely before? Or perhaps just not discriminate...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#67
No there aren't, but that doesn't mean that, going forward, we can't design better bathrooms.
Agnosticsherbet
Jun 2016
#71
I'm not opposed to that idea, its just that I find it odd that, because many localities...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#72
I think its more than that, a lot of people are repulsed by transgender people...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#79
I don't have a problem with people who feel repulsed. My problem is their attempts to force everyone
Agnosticsherbet
Jun 2016
#80
Probably because, like anything in biology, its complicated, fuzzy, contradictory and wrong?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#68