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125. "Democrats need to truly, truly examine if they want to see the general election cycle unearth"

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:19 AM

Jun 2016

"Democrats need to truly, truly examine if they want to see the general election cycle unearth the worst-of-the-worst"

What is the alternative?

Do we toss aside the candidate that has beat all primary candidates (including Trump) in the popular vote (i.e. has gotten more votes than any other candidate), has more pledged delegates and super delegates and just gave a tide-turning speech against the GOP nominee because the GE will get nasty?

When Trump became the GOP nominee, we knew we'd have to listen to him spout lies and vitriol for most of this year, that's not a new discovery. Whether you like it or not, a lot of Democrats remember Pres. Bill Clinton being a good President but guess what? Bill Clinton isn't running for President and the majority of the voting public have forgiven him his sexual sins. Also, if Ken Start or any other Republican could have gotten him for rape, they would have. The Clinton's are two of the most vetted public figures we'll know in our lifetime.

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Trump Lobs 'Rape' Allegation at Bill Clinton in FOX Interview [View all] tomm2thumbs May 2016 OP

the general election to come... tomm2thumbs May 2016 #1

There will be violence if Trumpf is in the general. roamer65 Jun 2016 #133

There are third-world "elections" that aren't this horrible. Frank Cannon Jul 2016 #147

That's rich StayFrosty May 2016 #2

Have you ever listened to Juanita Broaddrick's story? BillZBubb May 2016 #6

Money is always a motive. And yes Broderick's story is fishy to me. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #15

And remember that she produced a sworn affidavit and a deposition saying that pnwmom May 2016 #26

"Bill had never made unwanted advances toward her" wordpix May 2016 #93

Monica also produced an affidavit saying she never had sex with Bill Yupster Jul 2016 #145

Knowing the evil Ken Starr did to Julie Steele, I would never ever believe pnwmom Jul 2016 #149

She had every motive to lie. She had already produced an affidavit and deposition pnwmom May 2016 #25

Monica Lewinsky also produced an affadavit Yupster May 2016 #38

Since the tapes came out, Monica has consistently, till this very day, said the relationship pnwmom May 2016 #44

Given the employment and power relationship AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #59

Even when she initiates it? COLGATE4 May 2016 #78

Yes Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #122

If that statement were correct at least 20% of Fortune 500 COLGATE4 Jun 2016 #141

Bill shouldn't have gone there but women were always throwing themselves at him wordpix May 2016 #88

She was an 'intern" with a college degree and she was a 22 year old adult. And in that era pnwmom May 2016 #94

Except as commander in chief it opened him up to blackmail. Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #123

What a fuckin' steaming pantload zigby Jun 2016 #134

9 to 5 had to do with harassment. Monica Lewinsky was the enthusiastic initiator pnwmom Jun 2016 #135

Monica may have had no complaints. What about the other interns? Akicita Jun 2016 #137

And then there was the president's pal Vernon Jordan Yupster Jul 2016 #146

I watched the Juanita Brodderick NBC interview back in the 1990's and looked into her story. Akicita May 2016 #29

I saw it, too. She was lying. Obviously lying. McCamy Taylor May 2016 #36

I believed her then Yupster May 2016 #40

We can agree to disagree. I say let the women tell their stories and be heard. Akicita May 2016 #41

Her motive? BillZBubb May 2016 #79

"I realized he is a predator"---yes, and you were in the bedroom, too wordpix May 2016 #89

In the same way I realized Bill Cosby is a predator. Not 100% sure because nothing has been proven. Akicita May 2016 #103

Were you? 840high May 2016 #109

I believed her. 840high May 2016 #108

Yeah, me too. That's when my very high opinion of Clinton fell BillZBubb May 2016 #114

It's possible that you saw the accusations through the lens of your friend duhneece Jun 2016 #132

Yes. I have considered that. I am an analytical thinker and looked very hard at the Brodderick Akicita Jun 2016 #138

After what we know Ken Starr did to Julie Steele and Susan McDougal pnwmom Jul 2016 #151

Problems With Her Story videohead5 May 2016 #45

I'm not sure that's as unusual as you think. BillZBubb May 2016 #80

"if she had been raped why would she call the media the next time Bill came to town?" wordpix May 2016 #92

If I was a rape victim I would want to know if my rapist were coming back to town too. Akicita Jun 2016 #136

because the media WON'T cover it! Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #142

Yeah, and sometimes wives are financially coerced to "take back" things that are true. lexington filly May 2016 #50

I wanted to say what you just said moonbabygo May 2016 #64

Ken Starr gave zero credence to her story obamanut2012 May 2016 #87

Oh please. Ken Starr couldn't use that to prosecute Clinton. BillZBubb May 2016 #91

He was looking for ANYONE to provide evidence like this. That's why he tried pnwmom Jul 2016 #152

Trump's wife took it back. I have 840high May 2016 #107

so credible not. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #129

I think Ken Starr casts reasonable doubt on a lot of the story Bradical79 Jul 2016 #143

Without actual evidence of what? Starr was given evidence that Lewinski was being coerced to Akicita Jul 2016 #160

Isn't there an ongoing civil suit against Trump leftyladyfrommo May 2016 #70

A guy who is currently being investigated leftyladyfrommo Jul 2016 #159

Trump has had at least two women accuse him of rape. Ivana, in her divorce action, pnwmom May 2016 #3

Here is the link for the Ivana story... he is a sick POS JCMach1 May 2016 #21

And remember what his lawyer said? pnwmom May 2016 #23

Exactly, to paraphrase you can't rape your own wife! JCMach1 May 2016 #24

"After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot" --at least we now know wordpix May 2016 #97

Trump's alleged victims should be heard too. Let them tell their stories. Akicita May 2016 #42

Hillary never slut-shamed the women involved with her husband, never said anything about them, pnwmom May 2016 #43

Hillary is quoted by George Stephanopoulos in his book as saying "We must destroy her story" about Akicita May 2016 #46

Kathleen Willey was a liar, according to both Linda Tripp and Julie Hiatt Steele. pnwmom May 2016 #51

Willey may well be a liar. I don't know. She is not the woman referred to in the "We must destroy Akicita May 2016 #53

Who is? Do you have a link? n/t pnwmom May 2016 #57

Connie Hamsey. Akicita May 2016 #60

uh, it's not unusual for a wife to trash the other woman wordpix May 2016 #95

Blumenthal denies that story creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #156

This coming from someone who likes to attempt to impregnate 13 year old girls Feeling the Bern May 2016 #4

What does that have to do 840high May 2016 #110

Glass houses. . .you know. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #115

That is the point - the Clintons and Trump live in huge glass mansions, FFS. djean111 Jun 2016 #126

And some thought Bernie was a tough opponent. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #5

Lets get it all out there. All those women should be allowed to have a public hearing Peregrine Took May 2016 #7

They already had a several year long investigation run by Ken Starr pnwmom May 2016 #18

Thanks for the background info. I'd forgotten most of all this. PearliePoo2 May 2016 #30

There was one more name that gets thrown around. pnwmom May 2016 #52

The problem with the Gennifer affair Yupster May 2016 #84

According to you. But Wikipedia doesn't say anything about that. pnwmom May 2016 #90

Here is her affidavit posted in the Washington Post Yupster Jul 2016 #150

Handy, succinct info on Starr, et al. Thanks for posting. Gidney N Cloyd May 2016 #75

Curious - Bill C. Running for president again? Dan May 2016 #8

According To Hillary...He'll Play A Big Part In Her Administration (jeebus help us) AzDar May 2016 #14

And Jane Sanders will be one of her husband's top advisors. pnwmom May 2016 #96

Trump will go after Jane Sanders, her looks, her business dealings Lady_Chat May 2016 #116

No but he is going to be living in the WH again if she wins. jwirr May 2016 #83

It doesn't fucking MATTER to VOTERS if it is Bill or Hillary running. djean111 Jun 2016 #127

I would suggest everyone look at Juanita Broaddrick's story. BillZBubb May 2016 #9

Juanita Broaddrick stated under penalty of perjury that Bill had not made unwelcome advances. SunSeeker May 2016 #22

Right. He also prosecuted Julie Hiatt Steele for obstruction because she refused pnwmom May 2016 #28

juanita Brodderick did not want to come forward. She is a private person. The Clinton machine Akicita May 2016 #32

Wow. So now some Sanders supporters have resorted to reflinging poo thrown by Trump. SunSeeker May 2016 #33

You're right Sun Seeker. Women who are alleged victims of sexual violence should expect support from Akicita May 2016 #34

She herself said that she was not a victim Democat May 2016 #35

I am on the side of alleged sexual violence victims. Akicita May 2016 #39

You are on the side of Republicans against Clinton Democat May 2016 #47

Just as much a fact as you are on the side of sex predators against women then. Akicita May 2016 #48

Sure, and Bill Clinton also killed Vince Foster Democat May 2016 #49

No. I am on the side of alleged victims over alleged predators. Akicita May 2016 #55

She has been heard and she's a discredited liar. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #121

I've been a victim of sexual violence but I don't lexington filly May 2016 #62

so am I, but some "victims" aren't victims wordpix May 2016 #98

No Hillary supporter is trashing women in this thread. SunSeeker May 2016 #105

So Bill Clinton is the victim right? Do you view Bill Cosby as the victim too? Akicita May 2016 #106

Stop shoving words into other people's mouths emulatorloo Jul 2016 #154

Younger DU's may find it difficult to understand those of us who lived through the Clinton lexington filly May 2016 #61

+1000 So true! Lady_Chat May 2016 #118

I was in my teens back then and didn't follow politics much... Sand Rat Expat Jul 2016 #144

"Or how about the Repug abuse of power in impeaching Clinton?" snooper2 Jul 2016 #162

It looks like this campaign is going straingt into the gutter Jack Rabbit May 2016 #10

Then BlueNoMatterWho May 2016 #13

Ironic....nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #124

You are saying, just what I'm thinking. imari362 May 2016 #31

its a good move on his part Cosmocat May 2016 #67

Donald Trump Brings Up 1999 Rape Allegation Against Bill Clinton bemildred May 2016 #11

This should have been beneath even you... Firebrand Gary May 2016 #12

Trump is a misogynist asshole - and everyone knows this jpak May 2016 #16

here's the quotes (NSFW) MisterP May 2016 #17

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #19

Methinks he doth project too much Warpy May 2016 #20

Time to throw it right back at Trump if anyone running has the balls. world wide wally May 2016 #27

Now I know Trump is just in it for the Citizens United money. McCamy Taylor May 2016 #37

why this matters in 2016 EdwardBernays May 2016 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy May 2016 #56

Personal attack against a candidate's spouse? Donald has been there. Done that. pampango May 2016 #58

That statement can sure be applied elsewhere. I had to laugh, sorry! n/t djean111 Jun 2016 #128

This kind of shit is to be expected from slime like Trump liberal N proud May 2016 #63

Oh it's about Hillary. I get it. Kingofalldems May 2016 #65

Money Talks bucolic_frolic May 2016 #66

Dear Badhair McBombast Doctor_J May 2016 #68

The Truth is not their friend. What will he say about the 26? yourpaljoey May 2016 #69

Why is this LBN? Blue_Tires May 2016 #71

OFFS, Bill may be a womanizing asshole, but he's no rapist. Odin2005 May 2016 #72

I certainly am not convinced you are right. BillZBubb May 2016 #81

I am worried about his trips with Jeff Epstien MosheFeingold May 2016 #85

Nobody has accused Bill Clinton of being part of Epstein's perversion. mikehiggins May 2016 #102

Its been years now creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #157

We don't really know. 840high May 2016 #111

It is time media covered Jeffery Epstein Geronimoe May 2016 #73

It sure is. Merryland May 2016 #76

The only place that fully 840high May 2016 #112

Won't happen, since Trump is also a "buddy" of Epstein Lady_Chat May 2016 #117

Limiting Free Speech On DU JGug1 May 2016 #74

Trump bringing this out, this early, tells me he's afraid of Hillary. Laser102 May 2016 #77

Oh, please. trump tries to destroy any opponent. BillZBubb May 2016 #82

I don't undertand your concluding paragraph - why would this story closeupready May 2016 #86

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. leftyladyfrommo May 2016 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author nini May 2016 #100

The sight of both of them, Trump and Bill, makes my skin crawl... Purveyor May 2016 #101

yes 840high May 2016 #113

Of course this is going to be the nastiest election any of us can recall... NoMoreRepugs May 2016 #104

And Trump is loving it Lady_Chat May 2016 #120

Trump thinks that Clinton is a rapist. What kind of person would invite a rapist to their wedding? Freddie Stubbs May 2016 #119

another rapist? greymattermom Jul 2016 #158

"Democrats need to truly, truly examine if they want to see the general election cycle unearth" justiceischeap Jun 2016 #125

It wouldn't matter who the nominee is. katsy Jun 2016 #130

I'm one percent from madokie Jun 2016 #131

republican fox is the best at what they do. Sunlei Jun 2016 #139

Why bother liberalsoothsayer Jun 2016 #140

Hypocrite! forest444 Jul 2016 #148

I am voting for Hillary, not Bill still_one Jul 2016 #153

Tired of the constant passive-aggressive whining that 'DU wants to censor news' emulatorloo Jul 2016 #155

Classic inoculation. mahina Jul 2016 #161

There is this sleaze factor ozone_man Jul 2016 #163