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Tarheel_Dem

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62. Nate Silver: "Hillary Clinton Will Be Nominated Because More Democrats Are Voting For Her"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jun 2016
"It’s an emblematically annoying ending to the Democratic campaign, one that reflects both the acrimony between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and the fact that Clinton, in the end, is winning her party’s nomination by every available measure."


"In a statement released after the AP’s call, the Sanders campaign argued that the media is wrong to declare Clinton the presumptive nominee by including superdelegates, correctly pointing out that superdelegates can change their vote up until the convention, as several dozen superdelegates did in flipping from Clinton to Barack Obama in 2008. FiveThirtyEight’s pledged delegate count, which does not include superdelegates, has Clinton with 1,8111 pledged delegates to 1,526 for Sanders. The Sanders campaign said its “job from now until the convention is to convince superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.”"



"But Sanders’s statement — and the AP’s call — distract from the larger point. Clinton will be the Democratic nominee because substantially more Democrats have voted for her. In addition to her elected delegate majority, she’s received approximately 13.5 million votes so far in primaries and caucuses, compared with 10.5 million for Sanders."


"There also isn’t much sign of forward momentum for Sanders, after a strong run of contests in late March and early April. Over the past seven weeks, from the New York primary on April 19 through Puerto Rico on Sunday, Clinton has won 505 pledged delegates compared with 428 for Sanders. Her current lead in our national polling average, 14.4 percentage points, is the widest it has been since mid-February."


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination-according-to-ap/

The mere fact that you refuse to accept reality, doesn't change it.

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MoveOn says Clinton should be nominee [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 OP
This is probably the biggest blow of all to him. MADem Jun 2016 #1
There's an eye for irony. JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #17
Actually Moveon elites decided to say this after 70 percent on the site voted to endorse him DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #26
Oh so now MoveOn's leadership is the elite Establishment? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #27
If they make a statement contradictory to their members ideals w/o taking a vote, DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #29
So refusing to accept math is a member ideal? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #30
70% of their membership voted to endorse sanders. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #32
You do realize endorsing Sanders and believing in math are not mutually exclusive, right? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #43
The math shows Sanders has a clear majority where primaries were open to independants and greens DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #46
This was the Dem primary, not the Green primary. The Greens have a closed primary. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #56
Thats an online survey, and doesn't even mention the fact that reuters faithfull readers DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #57
Reuters "tend to lead left"? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #58
Reuters faithful readers lean left.....as does the paper. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #59
Virtually all the polls show Clinton's lead widening. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #60
What does "lead left" even mean? REUTERS is an International Agency w/a FRENCH focus, fwiw.... MADem Jun 2016 #68
By left I generally mean neutral, like NPR. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #69
Well, poor old NPR has been leaning right ever since GW BUSH seeded the management with MADem Jun 2016 #70
NPR has always been pro-business......Just like the democrats who voted for the bailout DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #71
No, that shift happened very clearly during the Bush years when they removed a lot of MADem Jun 2016 #72
oh i don't doubt it DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #73
Reuters isn't a paper. It's a wire service. Politicub Jun 2016 #75
Reuters is an international news agency, calling it a paper just shows my age. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #77
To bad this was the DEMOCRATIC Party Nomination, huh? boston bean Jun 2016 #74
No but their funding comes from that azurnoir Jun 2016 #61
Now Move on is Establishment? I'm laughing my ass off...nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #31
The site owners are being elitist when they decide to endorse Hillary DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #33
Okay.....this might be funny if it weren't so sad. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #34
It's neither funny or sad, it's enraging DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #35
Imagine....Democrats supporting Democrats. See you at the meetings, with the Party elite. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #36
Bernie has voted more along those lines than Hillary, Iraq and all ya know DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #39
Okay...see you at the meetings. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #40
An Anonymous endorsement? OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #47
Generally when they get pissed theres a leak.....so was there a leak? DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #49
Okay. OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #50
LOL! MADem Jun 2016 #67
True... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #78
its not a blow at all, but he is responsible to his followers, not media honking larkrake Jun 2016 #54
It's their choice they get to live with the repercussions SusanLarson Jun 2016 #2
Reality hurts Action_Patrol Jun 2016 #6
Susan, many Bernie supporters are willing to deal with the reality that the majority of Nitram Jun 2016 #9
So, you speak for all Bernie supporters? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #14
Why? Because it remained consistent on its insistence that the winner should be pnwmom Jun 2016 #19
Sometimes you just lose Boomer Jun 2016 #22
I fail to see the downside of this. (n/t) OilemFirchen Jun 2016 #52
Nate Silver: "Hillary Clinton Will Be Nominated Because More Democrats Are Voting For Her" Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #62
Reality dynamo99 Jun 2016 #64
Do they rule us? scscholar Jun 2016 #3
Who ordered you to do something? Nitram Jun 2016 #10
They have your account number- You better Step in Line and not Move On snooper2 Jun 2016 #15
MoveOn moved on, as they should. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #4
Move on elitist owners did, meanwhile members voted 70% to endorse Sanders DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #41
I think they agree with Sanders that Trump must be Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #42
Then primaries should have been open DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #45
Clinton actually won 13 open primaries to Sanders 10 and 4 of the mixed primaries to Sanders 3 Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #48
Clinton won open primaries after turnout dropped, and not by large percentages. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #51
Too late to get anymore support from me and I was one of the very early members. upaloopa Jun 2016 #5
Oh no! so Move On! is just another Clinton shill! Bummer! Nitram Jun 2016 #7
It would make perfect sense under ordinary circumstances. forest444 Jun 2016 #8
Thats assuming shes even in the running. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #12
That's exactly what I think Iis going on, although you described it better. Hoyt Jun 2016 #65
Yup it's possible but it's also possible no one did anything major for cstanleytech Jun 2016 #66
Are you listening, Bernie? George II Jun 2016 #11
I am sure he is. sangfroid Jun 2016 #20
Clearly Wall Street paid them off... onehandle Jun 2016 #13
It's clear they paid Hillary. phazed0 Jun 2016 #38
A big thank you to Bernie for reminding Americans what the Democratic can be. jalan48 Jun 2016 #16
Used to be. n/t LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #24
I think there are a lot of people who are unaware of past history. jalan48 Jun 2016 #25
Moveon is weak Geronimoe Jun 2016 #18
They did support him until it was over. jiminvegas Jun 2016 #21
54 > 46 n/t FreeState Jun 2016 #23
under the bus! under the bus! wendylaroux Jun 2016 #28
MoveOn... to another lame-duck. phazed0 Jun 2016 #37
Go ahead. Get it out of your system. June 16 is coming soon. nt SunSeeker Jun 2016 #44
So? This board isn't going to change history, nor my thoughts. phazed0 Jun 2016 #53
What message do you have to share with us? Politicub Jun 2016 #79
Are you really responding to my message, asking what message I have? phazed0 Jun 2016 #80
more like Moveon acknowledges that Clinton IS the nominee nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #55
Of course MoveOn backed Bernie. Bernie is liberal. Hillary is owned by Goldman Sachs Herman4747 Jun 2016 #63
well that's a no brainer RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #76
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