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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
50. Not entirely true.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:55 PM
Jun 2016

Spree Killings/Massacres have occurred in other countries in modern times.

"Over the decade and a half studied, the researchers found 23 incidents of mass shootings in the other 10 countries, resulting in 200 dead and 231 wounded. In the United States over the same period, there were 133 incidents that left 487 dead and 505 wounded.

Here are a just a few examples of mass shootings in other countries:

• On July 22, 2011, a total of 80 people were killed in Norway when Anders Behring Breivik, a political extremist, bombed a government building in Oslo and then went on a shooting rampage on the island of Utoya, just outside the city.

• On March 11, 2009, in Winnenden, Germany, a teenage gunman killed 15 people. The majority of the victims were children and teachers killed when the shooter opened fire in three classrooms in a local secondary school. The gunman shot two other people before killing himself after being cornered by the local police.

• On Sept. 23, 2008, in Kuahajoki, Finland, a gunman shot 10 people to death after opening fire on a classroom in the Kuahajoki School of Hospitality. After killing the students, the shooter burned the victims’ bodies.

In sum, then, Obama is wrong to say that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries." Clearly it does happen elsewhere, and not in trivial numbers. Seven of the countries saw double-digit numbers of people killed in mass shootings during that period.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/


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On April 28, 1996, a gunman opened fire on tourists in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. By the time he was finished, he had killed 35 people and wounded 23 more. It was the worst mass murder in Australia’s history.

Twelve days later, Australia’s government did something remarkable. Led by newly elected conservative Prime Minister John Howard, it announced a bipartisan deal with state and local governments to enact sweeping gun-control measures. A decade and a half hence, the results of these policy changes are clear: They worked really, really well.

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia. The country’s new gun laws prohibited private sales, required that all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count.) In the wake of the tragedy, polls showed public support for these measures at upwards of 90 percent.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html




The reasons I posted this are manifold,
but the main reason is to highlight that this is another case of American Exceptionalism that excludes us from using what has proven to work in other countries (like Health Care, Universal Education, etc).






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Senator Murphy is absolutely right. Squinch Jun 2016 #1
I concur, Squinch. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #3
I agree. nt brer cat Jun 2016 #34
Supreme Court Decision on 2nd Amendment askeptic Jun 2016 #2
Local new says he had a state firearm license and a security guard license Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #4
It's completely absurd, but your post got alerted on A HERETIC I AM Jun 2016 #9
Well someone can't alert Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #27
Wow! I guess demagogue-ing the issue raises more money askeptic Jun 2016 #44
The 18th amendment was repealed MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #10
The amendment itself is not creating violence. Indydem Jun 2016 #21
Then it goes back to the states Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #28
Almost right, it's the Supreme Court's interpretation that counts. charliea Jun 2016 #61
He is absolutely right mcar Jun 2016 #5
As a Private Security Guard One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #6
You tell them Senator Murphy! KPN Jun 2016 #7
According to Raw Story, the shooter's father says two guys kissing set him off. Archae Jun 2016 #8
The shooter is part of a society, and society is to blame, culture is to blame, schools are to blame L. Coyote Jun 2016 #13
The shooters decisions were his and his alone. beevul Jun 2016 #17
If you say so. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #19
Ok. Whats your part of the responsiblity...? beevul Jun 2016 #20
As US citizens we can absolutely be held responsible for not making this a priority justiceischeap Jun 2016 #23
Explain to me... beevul Jun 2016 #24
Sure, the perfect example is what happened on the day of Sandy Hook justiceischeap Jun 2016 #25
paris france beergood Jun 2016 #39
Its difficult to prove a negative LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #68
The shooter who owned an AR-15 is to blame. TNNurse Jun 2016 #58
Agreed. Civilians do not need assault rifles. Vinca Jun 2016 #11
Time to send the assault weapon supporters packing. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #12
One serious question... Archae Jun 2016 #15
Vote them out of Congress was my point. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #16
We could start SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #26
And ignore the Democratic platform Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #29
Every single senator and Congressperson with an NRA A+ rating is now an enemy. Initech Jun 2016 #14
Blood all over their money grubbing hands SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #53
I would make than anyone above an F rating. alarimer Jun 2016 #64
No arguments here! Fuck the NRA! Initech Jun 2016 #66
The truth will fall on deaf ears, as usual. tabasco Jun 2016 #18
Congress continues to sit on its hands and do nothing – again.” AlbertCat Jun 2016 #22
Assault weapons used to be banned mountain grammy Jun 2016 #30
There is a fundamental flaw in that analysis hack89 Jun 2016 #49
Just a question...this freak had passed Fed NICS chks to get his gun clearances Nancyswidower Jun 2016 #31
why does ANYONE need an AR-15? Skittles Jun 2016 #43
Need...I don't believe that is a standard requirement for any "Right" Nancyswidower Jun 2016 #45
ALRIGHTY THEN Skittles Jun 2016 #46
If you are making Rights a need issue..that's your fear. Nancyswidower Jun 2016 #47
We don't. But people want them. They are expensive toys, that can be lethal. Archae Jun 2016 #60
Perhaps Some Of The "Kill The Gays" Rhetoric From Jeezusland or Muzzlimland Got To Him scottie55 Jun 2016 #32
"Buddhists don't kill anyone for any reason." beergood Jun 2016 #40
Let me guess; they'll say "they aren't real Buddhists." greyl Jun 2016 #55
Why does any law abiding citizen need an AR-15 with a clip that spews 30 rounds without reloading? catbyte Jun 2016 #33
Good post, catbyte. brer cat Jun 2016 #35
What is so special about an AR-15 that it needs more restrictions ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #38
I wasn't specifically targeting that particular model & I think you know that. catbyte Jun 2016 #62
And yet you did exactly that. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #63
So you want me to list every fucking semiautomatic, multiple clip weapon in a short message? Don't catbyte Jun 2016 #65
If you meant to say ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #67
I entirely agree. dickthegrouch Jun 2016 #36
sorry , a little bored and playing around with the reply functions. beergood Jun 2016 #41
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #52
Wow. tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #37
He's not supposed to call it an "epidemic" of gun violence LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #42
The only people complicit in this is the shooter and his IS buddies. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #48
Not entirely true. bvar22 Jun 2016 #50
Guess who I've been wanting as the VP on the Democratic ticket this year for awhile? ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #51
Nonsense. David__77 Jun 2016 #54
LOCKING THREAD AS ANALYSIS/OPINION (Lock-Retracted) LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #56
UNLOCKING THREAD LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #57
Damn right, congress is complicit. TryLogic Jun 2016 #59
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