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31. But the opposite has been shown to be true

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:13 PM

Jul 2012

I just recently applied for my CCP and it was pounded into my head the consequences of doing something stupid like what you suggest.
The huge majority of CCP holders are pretty level headed, honest citizens who made the decision to be able to defend themselves if it ever came to that. I admit that I wrestled with my decision to apply for about a year, weighing the pros and cons, whether I could take another human life if I was, through no fault of my own, put in that situation. It wasn't an easy decision, but now that I've done it, I feel confident that I'm not going to do what you suggest might happen.
You can check the stats on the conviction rate of CCP holders, FL and TX post those stats every year.

Your choice to not want CCP in bars and I respect that.
What are your views on CCP in general?

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17 people hurt in Tuscaloosa, Ala., bar shooting [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 OP

Nobody killed? TheMightyFavog Jul 2012 #1

Hope everyone is ok. Is Alabama one of the states that allows guns in bars like Arizona? still_one Jul 2012 #2

What does this have to do with Arizona? michreject Jul 2012 #6

Because there are a few states that have a law allowing concealed weapons in bars. Arizona is one still_one Jul 2012 #16

Business owners can post no guns allowed on their doors. permatex Jul 2012 #40

You can actually look this stuff up. PavePusher Jul 2012 #58

Thanks, I googled it and the search wasn't clear still_one Jul 2012 #89

Guns and alcohol , never a good mix. Marrah_G Jul 2012 #3

The shooter wasn't in the bar drinking permatex Jul 2012 #5

Then nothing could have prevented that, however, concealed weapons in bars is a stupid law, but hey still_one Jul 2012 #18

Actually the myth of the wild west is just that permatex Jul 2012 #21

Because alcohol contributes to more heated exchanges, even if the person with the weapon isn't still_one Jul 2012 #22

But the opposite has been shown to be true permatex Jul 2012 #31

"You can check the stats on the conviction rate of CCP holders..." uh clem Jul 2012 #54

Citation to your information, please? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #61

I'll bet it's Brady or VPC stats. permatex Jul 2012 #64

I don't buy the stats, and I have seen enough fights with alcohol involved that to me it is common still_one Jul 2012 #90

Yea, but there are lots of folks who aren't criminals per se, who don't get a permit. Hoyt Jul 2012 #91

So fucking what. permatex Jul 2012 #100

And exactly how is that going to be enforced? SheilaT Jul 2012 #27

If it was such a problem permatex Jul 2012 #34

No the states wouldn't repeal. Too much right wing gun lobbying money from NRA and others. Hoyt Jul 2012 #92

So provide the links to what you are claiming. permatex Jul 2012 #101

my state, NH, driven of course by ALEC and the NRA Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #32

Only on your property and only to a trespasser and only after he refuse to leave. hack89 Jul 2012 #35

Heres a text of Senate bill 88 permatex Jul 2012 #36

"However, if just one citizen with a CCP had been on scene,..." uh clem Jul 2012 #45

Where did you get that? permatex Jul 2012 #46

Hoyt, are you running a sock puppet? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #62

No. You are not in the gungeon now. People don't buy your more guns in public promotion. Hoyt Jul 2012 #93

"You are not in the gungeon now." PavePusher Jul 2012 #95

Nope, you hang out with your gun promoting buddies in the gungeon. Here you see how people really Hoyt Jul 2012 #97

What make and model of gun was used? PavePusher Jul 2012 #99

Do you plan on waiting for all the facts before you'll pull your gun if you think Hoyt Jul 2012 #104

There is a wee bit of difference between making decisions during an emergency situation.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #105

What are the odds of anything happening where most people need a gun? Hoyt Jul 2012 #107

Oh about... sarisataka Jul 2012 #108

Come on, how many times are you actually at risk if you are moderately careful? Hoyt Jul 2012 #109

I will agree with you there sarisataka Jul 2012 #110

Too funny. nt michreject Jul 2012 #114

given donquijoterocket Jul 2012 #50

Not necessarily true permatex Jul 2012 #55

You have evidence of existance of a statistically significant problem.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #65

If their weapons are concealed, how does the bartender know they're not allowed a drink? freshwest Jul 2012 #51

As is true of MOST laws, the proscription against drinking while carrying a weapon is self-enforced slackmaster Jul 2012 #70

If the person is not reliable, like Rodriquez, things will get out of hand. freshwest Jul 2012 #80

one thing donquijoterocket Jul 2012 #53

They are sometimes a possible solution to some things. PavePusher Jul 2012 #66

We've outlawed cigarettes in most public places, but the NRA has paid for laws allowing guns. Hoyt Jul 2012 #94

Bullshit. PavePusher Jul 2012 #96

And I'm doing my best to make your nightmare come true. permatex Jul 2012 #102

Please cite to where it's been a statistically significant problem... PavePusher Jul 2012 #59

Actually, 11 of the shots were fired from outside the bar dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #78

Well that's crap reporting. PavePusher Jul 2012 #98

the 17 "injured" seems accurate. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #103

How can they not know the caliber? sarisataka Jul 2012 #106

They like that sort of thing jberryhill Jul 2012 #4

your post MrDiaz Jul 2012 #7

lol jberryhill Jul 2012 #9

Or was he just another fear-freaked gun hugger? BamBamBane Jul 2012 #10

That is just so.............................. permatex Jul 2012 #11

Bigotry against gun owners? Jack Sprat Jul 2012 #12

How about the little snark about over compensating? permatex Jul 2012 #23

It wasn't insulting at all, unless Jack Sprat Jul 2012 #33

You just made my point permatex Jul 2012 #42

Talking to your gun is not a good sign. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #49

Thanks for sharing the image. Judi Lynn Jul 2012 #25

+1 AnOhioan Jul 2012 #28

Do you know what that gun is or what it was used for or did you just think it was a cute photo? rl6214 Jul 2012 #111

You see it's like this... uh clem Jul 2012 #48

You are misinformed about federal law, specifically 18 USC section 922 (d) slackmaster Jul 2012 #52

I love it when posted facts permatex Jul 2012 #63

Not to mention any number of state laws broken.... n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #69

Cap on backwards. Shirt untucked. Gang hit. slackmaster Jul 2012 #8

you forgot "Negros" Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #13

From the surveilance photo, he appears to be white. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #15

Look at the pictures I posted downthread, tell me what color that dude is. nt MADem Jul 2012 #20

Yeah, that bottom one is the one I saw on the news article. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #56

I imagine the poster was trivializing the shooting. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #29

You have a vivid imagination, and apparently some biases as well slackmaster Jul 2012 #39

Funny. You seem to be the only one that hears it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #57

Could be a white guy. I can't tell from the picture. Can you? MADem Jul 2012 #19

Police describe him as a white male, 5�7" to 5�9" slackmaster Jul 2012 #37

"gang"=/="racism" PavePusher Jul 2012 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author PavePusher Jul 2012 #68

Actually, Warren Stupidity played the race card in this thread slackmaster Jul 2012 #71

Arrgh, sorry, replied in wrong place. I'll delete and move. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #72

Kinda hurts one's credibility. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #116

Open carry state. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #14

So how is that relevent to this? permatex Jul 2012 #24

actually it is a may issue for concealed carry. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #30

The idea of may issue is to prevent the "wrong" people from getting permits slackmaster Jul 2012 #41

I stand corrected on shall issue permatex Jul 2012 #43

Yeah....We need more guns zellie Jul 2012 #17

No, we need the states to do a better job of reporting permatex Jul 2012 #26

No - we need less lunatics hack89 Jul 2012 #38

You can trust gun owners. They can police their own actions. No regulation needed. onehandle Jul 2012 #44

You can trust lawful gun owner alot more than banksters. permatex Jul 2012 #47

You can trust bankers alot more than lawful gun owners. onehandle Jul 2012 #60

Platitudes and atitudes seems to be all you have. permatex Jul 2012 #67

Replies in this thread bongbong Jul 2012 #73

It's mostly a bunch of speculation about what happened snooper2 Jul 2012 #75

I'm thinking he got 86'd for bringing a live opossum into the club slackmaster Jul 2012 #76

did the bar have a posted policy against this? DBoon Jul 2012 #79

It was a violation of California state law, something in the Health and Safety Code slackmaster Jul 2012 #81

But placental mammals would be fine right? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #83

I think a service iguana would be allowed slackmaster Jul 2012 #84

I'll discuss that with my seeing eye turtle. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #117

"I was taking drugs, and things got out of hand at the bar," dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #77

That was real "white" of him to turn himself in slackmaster Jul 2012 #82

Clearly the bars fault. And guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #85

Or maybe bongbong Jul 2012 #86

Didn't you forget your :rofl: and your "gun religionist" bullshit? rl6214 Jul 2012 #112

Obsessed bongbong Jul 2012 #118

Obsessed? Yes you are. rl6214 Jul 2012 #119

Oh dear bongbong Jul 2012 #120

Tough guy? No, I just go with the flow. If anyone is "a self-professed "tough guy" rl6214 Jul 2012 #121

ROFL bongbong Jul 2012 #122

please show me rl6214 Jul 2012 #123

Sorry, different poster bongbong Jul 2012 #124

"Sorry, different poster" rl6214 Jul 2012 #125

Yowza bongbong Jul 2012 #126

How often do we have gas attacks compared to armed robberies or assaultis in general rl6214 Jul 2012 #127

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #128

"Logic and facts? Your fear & gun-religion rule them out to be a member. " rl6214 Jul 2012 #129

Worship your PRECIOUS! bongbong Jul 2012 #130

You just keep up with your juvenile shtick rl6214 Jul 2012 #131

OK bongbong Jul 2012 #132

"That's alright, this is a Liberal chatboard, and Liberals think gun-religionists are completely nut rl6214 Jul 2012 #135

PROVE IT bongbong Jul 2012 #136

In the immortal words of YOU...google it, I'm not going to do your work for you rl6214 Jul 2012 #137

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #140

Suspect held in Alabama bar shooting that wounded 17 struggle4progress Jul 2012 #87

UPDATE Tejas Jul 2012 #88

how many more of these mass shootings before we get gun control? wordpix Jul 2012 #133

Gun control, like in Mexico? Tejas Jul 2012 #134

I love my gun, love my gun! adigal Jul 2012 #113

Guns wound people. ileus Jul 2012 #115

If everyone in that bar had been heavily armed, this wouldn't have happened. Bucky Jul 2012 #138

Just another day in Gunland - n/t primavera Jul 2012 #139