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3. No, he doesn't. You are incorrect about what constitutes rape.

Wed Aug 22, 2012, 02:12 PM

Aug 2012

The person initiating the act has the obligation to obtain consent in advance from the other party. This is not the same as not pushing after someone says no. If the 2nd party is asleep or otherwise unconscious, then by definition, s/he could not have given consent at that time.

What allegedly happened in the Assange case is completely irrelevant, because Galloway made general comments. If Assange did none of the things that the Swedish government wants to question him about, Galloway's comments are still completely inappropriate and sexist. As noted in the article:

"'There is no excuse, ever, for sex without consent, and regardless of the details of the Assange case, Galloway's comments and inappropriate language about rape per se are alarming,' Rhodes said in a statement on the magazine's website."

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George Galloway sacked as political columnist for rape remarks [View all] oberliner Aug 2012 OP

Gallaway has a point. Proletariatprincess Aug 2012 #1

No, he doesn't. You are incorrect about what constitutes rape. spooky3 Aug 2012 #3

except Galloway never "excused sex without consent" reorg Aug 2012 #25

An interlude of sleep does not constitute withdrawal of consent. If it did, we'd all be in jail. leveymg Aug 2012 #29

No, but consent granted conditional of a condom Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #34

Rape isn't defined that way. Rape is coerced sex. Consensual sex without coercion is not rape. leveymg Aug 2012 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author TriplD Aug 2012 #38

So every time my girlfriend woke me up with a BJ I was being raped? TriplD Aug 2012 #39

Until you said, "yes. . . Yes. YES!" leveymg Aug 2012 #40

+1 AND apparently this "rape" charge occurred after the woman discovered he was sleeping with wordpix Aug 2012 #4

Why are you using Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #6

Why are you using talking points reorg Aug 2012 #23

Gee, what talking points am I using? Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #36

Sorry, I beg to differ... Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #5

He put his dick in her without permission. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #13

They were sleeping in the same bed Scairp Aug 2012 #19

no, he took the condom off without her permission (allegedly) reorg Aug 2012 #22

My understand was he initiated a second encounter while she was unconscious. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #24

not sure what you mean by "encounter" reorg Aug 2012 #27

Here is an AFP story detailing the charges Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #31

I think both of us have gotten off topic Scairp Aug 2012 #21

NO thread about Assange can be discussed reasonably on DU. randome Aug 2012 #26

I can agree with that N/T Scairp Aug 2012 #30

Or, if she has consented to sex only with the use of a condom Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #33

No, he has no point. And, yes, your opinion is deeply colored. Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #35

If you believe that women are the property of men Rabid_Rabbit Aug 2012 #2

Agreed.... Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #7

Ditto that theHandpuppet Aug 2012 #17

Deleting my comment: I had not read fully what he implied newthinking Aug 2012 #8

Just re-read his comments. They were indeed innappropriate newthinking Aug 2012 #9

I wrote a reply before you edited muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #11

What Progressive statements; greiner3 Aug 2012 #10

I'm struggling to find a single progressive statement in your post muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #14

How will this be proven? Scairp Aug 2012 #18

It may or may not be provable muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #28

The scenario you describe might have validity Kelvin Mace Aug 2012 #16

I've read the report Scairp Aug 2012 #20

Galloway and Akin should form PR firm Freddie Stubbs Aug 2012 #12

I read the charges Scairp Aug 2012 #15

Please remember, there are no charges; only allegations. n/t tuvor Aug 2012 #42

Good! Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #32

I admire George Galloway and I especially applaud his stand on the side of the victims of aggression Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #41