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In reply to the discussion: George Galloway sacked as political columnist for rape remarks [View all]Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)5. Sorry, I beg to differ...
I am sure she woke up when he proceeded to make love to her. If she said no, and he forced himself on her that could be rape.
If she said no, there is no "could be rape" about it. It IS rape.
You are "sure" she woke up "when he proceeded to make love to her."
Well, that is kind of immaterial to the legal questions since he is accused of "unlawful coercion" and having sex without a condom with another woman against her express wishes.
A woman has a right to deny a man intercourse if he refused to comply with her requirement that he use a condom. If he has intercourse with her consensually (using a condom), then begins intercourse with her later while she is sleeping without a condom, she may very well wake up, but still be unaware that he is NOT using a condom until after he ejaculates.
Since she made consensual sex conditional on condom use while she was awake, the condition doesn't change just because she falls asleep.
Sorry, but I am not going to demonize two women and call them liars just because I happen to like what the guy is doing.
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An interlude of sleep does not constitute withdrawal of consent. If it did, we'd all be in jail.
leveymg
Aug 2012
#29
Rape isn't defined that way. Rape is coerced sex. Consensual sex without coercion is not rape.
leveymg
Aug 2012
#37
+1 AND apparently this "rape" charge occurred after the woman discovered he was sleeping with
wordpix
Aug 2012
#4
My understand was he initiated a second encounter while she was unconscious.
ZombieHorde
Aug 2012
#24
I'm struggling to find a single progressive statement in your post
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2012
#14
I admire George Galloway and I especially applaud his stand on the side of the victims of aggression
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2012
#41