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joe_stampingbull

(165 posts)
69. he was the only commander to surrender twice
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:24 AM
Oct 2018

At the beginning of the Civil War, he surrendered his US army post in San Antonio to a secesh mob. So he surrendered to both the US and to the rebels.

Didn't Lee surrender to Grant? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #1
Guess he's going to Georgia next to praise General Sherman. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #11
Quick, get Hillary to tell him it's politically incorrect. Girard442 Oct 2018 #18
That should fire them up TEB Oct 2018 #132
Cheeto Benito isn't trying to impress Ohioans who are proud of U.S. Grant Cirque du So-What Oct 2018 #15
Did you watch the video? oberliner Oct 2018 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Oct 2018 #33
I won't watch the video, just had breakfast and I intend to keep it down groundloop Oct 2018 #76
Fair enough oberliner Oct 2018 #93
True atreides1 Oct 2018 #129
he was the only commander to surrender twice joe_stampingbull Oct 2018 #69
Do not get angry at his comment Perseus Oct 2018 #70
Americans in general should be proud of Grant, who despite much malignity, was not only... NNadir Oct 2018 #81
Thank you Marthe48 Oct 2018 #83
My pleasure. I love to extol the wonderful legacy of PRESIDENT Grant. NNadir Oct 2018 #87
I always admired Grant, but my admiration increased exponentially when I read 'Grant' by Ron Chernow Aristus Oct 2018 #90
I agree. I think that Grant simply had a low tolerance for alcohol, but in no way... NNadir Oct 2018 #94
White People Love Grant. Whatever! AllTooEasy Oct 2018 #109
Really? NNadir Oct 2018 #112
when i visited manhattan. i think his tomb was the 1st thing i went to see. pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #113
There's a biography of him that I want to read - The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #135
You're probably referring to the Chernow book. There are several other major biographies that... NNadir Oct 2018 #136
I think that's the one. I'll be reading it as soon as I can get my hands on it. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #137
It is disturbing he got cheers JonLP24 Oct 2018 #121
What an idiot. gtar100 Oct 2018 #2
Guess he's bucking for NRA President. They had Confederate loving Prez a few years ago from Alabama. Hoyt Oct 2018 #3
I answered an almost identical post a few minutes ago... TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #4
One word Gettysburg wasupaloopa Oct 2018 #5
Lee lost. Trump doesn't like losers. Skruffy Oct 2018 #6
Lee lost, Grant won. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #8
Brain fart, sorry. I meant... Skruffy Oct 2018 #9
Trump is a moran Ligyron Oct 2018 #7
A great tactician, who broke his oath as a U.S. Army officer. TomSlick Oct 2018 #13
Lee was a very good General Lithos Oct 2018 #20
Lee was also a racist that supported a traitorous cause. kwassa Oct 2018 #31
The majority of people were racist in the 19th Century Lithos Oct 2018 #34
Those stories about Lee being an enlightened slaveowner aren't true. yardwork Oct 2018 #54
I grew up in the South and went to public school there. The myth of the benevolent Lee is just that: Aristus Oct 2018 #99
I grew up in the South as well - still live here Lithos Oct 2018 #119
Who honor him as a hero JonLP24 Oct 2018 #123
Still a traitor though, along with the rest of the confederates. brush Oct 2018 #142
Good post, good points. K&R. brush Oct 2018 #141
There were the radical Republicans who wanted to go further than Lincoln JonLP24 Oct 2018 #122
No but the discussion is about his generalship. Kaleva Oct 2018 #108
Sorry. Montgomery may have been over-cautious, but he never took up arms against his country TomSlick Oct 2018 #32
The idea of Nationalism was cemented in the Civil War Lithos Oct 2018 #36
Yes,in Southwestern Ohio True Blue American Oct 2018 #49
Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2018 #56
He was a terrible general. Scruffy1 Oct 2018 #64
THANK YOU The Mouth Oct 2018 #68
Excellent. This admiration of Lee was created during a previous rise of white supremacy. yardwork Oct 2018 #130
The Worst President EVER!!!! Grassy Knoll Oct 2018 #10
I like Generals who don't lose. SunSeeker Oct 2018 #12
I Like Presidents Who Didn't Get Investigated For That Russer Thing Grassy Knoll Oct 2018 #16
I like Presidents who don't fellate dictators. nt SunSeeker Oct 2018 #22
Lol... Grassy Knoll Oct 2018 #26
Gotta love the "uneducated". Kajun Gal Oct 2018 #14
Grant and Sherman were both born in Ohio TheRealNorth Oct 2018 #17
Might I suggest the phrase Lithos Oct 2018 #21
Did you watch the video? oberliner Oct 2018 #29
I watched the video twice True Blue American Oct 2018 #53
He definitely is ignorant oberliner Oct 2018 #59
But he went on and on True Blue American Oct 2018 #60
Good point oberliner Oct 2018 #62
Playing to transplanted Southerners True Blue American Oct 2018 #61
I was once called Judgmental by calling Trump a racist. djacq Oct 2018 #19
George Pickett disagrees. RockRaven Oct 2018 #23
Thank God you republicans won that war... You really whipped those Southerners. keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #24
Do they teach SS in school these days? mobeau69 Oct 2018 #55
The KKK was huge in Ohio in the early 20th century. world wide wally Oct 2018 #25
Civil War History with Professor Fuck Blue Owl Oct 2018 #27
Did anyone who commented on this actually watch the video? oberliner Oct 2018 #30
Ofcourse not AllTooEasy Oct 2018 #110
Yes I saw the whole thing JonLP24 Oct 2018 #124
Miles Kahn makes the point better than I can oberliner Oct 2018 #127
He said he was a great general JonLP24 Oct 2018 #128
This is the guy having a love affair with Kim Jong Un (wonder how Melania feels about that?) !! George II Oct 2018 #35
Lee was a great General elmac Oct 2018 #37
Lincoln did ask Lee to lead the Union army Wyatt513 Oct 2018 #38
Nah, not so great. See post #64. And he was a traitor and racist. brush Oct 2018 #73
being a great general doesn't mean your a grear person elmac Oct 2018 #95
True. Still not a great general though...Post #64. brush Oct 2018 #97
People who argue Pickett's Charge was a mistake don't offer other options where Lee could have won Kaleva Oct 2018 #116
I like your take. Good analysis. brush Oct 2018 #118
IMHO, Lee should never have been in Pennsylvania in the first place. Kaleva Oct 2018 #139
How About This Option ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #133
Tha't very close to what I said. Kaleva Oct 2018 #138
Not surprising.. LW1977 Oct 2018 #39
HE WAS A TRAITOR, PERIOD. brush Oct 2018 #40
No, make that a comma and add safeinOhio Oct 2018 #47
Right. I stand corrected. brush Oct 2018 #72
right you are! joe_stampingbull Oct 2018 #71
Lee was a treasonous traitor , duforsure Oct 2018 #41
Who gives a shit? BlueStater Oct 2018 #42
Germans, don't give him a chance to go over there. raccoon Oct 2018 #45
Reagan paid homage to Nazi SS soldiers. keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #115
Have you ever seen the movie The Desert Fox? oberliner Oct 2018 #107
KKK in the Oval Office. LudwigPastorius Oct 2018 #43
Playing to his base, clearly. And maybe trying to piss off liberals. NT raccoon Oct 2018 #44
I only like generals that win a Civil War . . . . . . no_hypocrisy Oct 2018 #46
Hitler praise coming in 5-4-3-2-1 sellitman Oct 2018 #48
This is what I was taught in school (Ohio, 1990's) Bradical79 Oct 2018 #50
In a former Union State? no_hypocrisy Oct 2018 #51
Yup. Bradical79 Oct 2018 #67
Where in Ohio did you learn that? True Blue American Oct 2018 #63
A subburb of Columbus Bradical79 Oct 2018 #66
I live in a suburb north of Dayton True Blue American Oct 2018 #88
So that means that the GOP is no longer "the party of Lincoln"? BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #52
Yes, Lee was a good general but he did lose the war and if McClellan had followed Lee after ..... Botany Oct 2018 #57
I didn't know Sheridan was from Ohio too. Don't know much about his Civil War... brush Oct 2018 #75
He grew up in Somerset, OH Botany Oct 2018 #82
Have to check that one out.;( True Blue American Oct 2018 #91
I 71 north bound about a few miles after you cross the Miami River valley ..... Botany Oct 2018 #92
Honestly I am in Lebanon quite often True Blue American Oct 2018 #96
Just an aside d_r Oct 2018 #58
I wonder if Trump would change his mind if someone told him that Lee, having Baitball Blogger Oct 2018 #65
I'd like to point out, as a sidebar, that Rump went down to Floribama to campaign for pedo Moore, Mc Mike Oct 2018 #74
Not to worry............. MyOwnPeace Oct 2018 #77
Trump is an idiot. Lee lost most of the battles he commanded Major Nikon Oct 2018 #78
Yeah, I was kind of True Blue American Oct 2018 #98
What the hell is he talking about? Polly Hennessey Oct 2018 #79
I call BS modrepub Oct 2018 #80
A very nice discussion of one of the most discussed campaigns in the Civil War. NNadir Oct 2018 #84
If I can add: the entire Eastern theater is overglamorized, overanalyzed, and overrated Recursion Oct 2018 #85
Excellent point. n/t. NNadir Oct 2018 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author lapfog_1 Oct 2018 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2018 #120
Burns fell under Shelby Foote's spell Recursion Oct 2018 #126
Here's An Observation modrepub Oct 2018 #131
I might add a slightly different view of that Recursion Oct 2018 #134
Colonel Chamberlin gladium et scutum Oct 2018 #117
Right. And Donald J. Trump was a great president. SKKY Oct 2018 #86
So now Abe Lincoln was a "loser" according to the Orange Fuhrer. Vinca Oct 2018 #100
Official republican position - Lincoln was our nation's greatest leader keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #114
One word, Cheetolini: Appamatox. muntrv Oct 2018 #101
I love to hear what Newt Gingrich thinks of rump's remarks. He's written a book (maybe ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2018 #102
He was a great general. tazkcmo Oct 2018 #103
Lots of Southern soldiers were drafted. They may not have believed in raccoon Oct 2018 #104
someone should edit some Fox News video & figure out how to feed it to his TV... yurbud Oct 2018 #105
So Was Benedict Arnold, But They Were Both Traitors louis c Oct 2018 #111
Robert E. Lee descandents distance themselves from WS more than Trump JonLP24 Oct 2018 #125
Threadkilla! 7wo7rees Oct 2018 #140
Lee was Lincoln's first pick to lead the Union Army. Xolodno Oct 2018 #143
Lee was another loser duforsure Oct 2018 #144
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