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16. The treasury department under Mnuchin

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:40 PM

Feb 2020

wants to keep under wraps the cost of golf trips and other expenses until after the election. We the People have a right to know where our tax money is being wasted. We have to DEMAND open records on this. How much is it costing to keep this vile family travelling and doing their business with protections from us? IF that family is so rich why don't they pay for private security, and let the taxpayers money go for something worthwhile? I remember when President Obama took Michelle to New York for a special occasion (birthday, anniversary) and the repubs. went wild. How much is this costing, they demanded to know? It seems that the President had already paid the expense for the meal and other incidentals. Now here comes the useless tRump family and their hangers on (Gargoyle Jr.'s old lady friend) and everything is kept secret. WHY? Are the expenses so mind boggling, the people would be up in arms if they knew the extent of this?

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Botswana Selling Licenses To Kill Elephants At $39,000 A Head [View all] packman Feb 2020 OP

Wait, so you're saying conservationists were not allowed to buy permits??!?!?! Coventina Feb 2020 #1

Lol ... your original version was unclear? mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #77

Heh, yeah, initially I left out the word "not" in my post title. Coventina Feb 2020 #84

Well, I guess the Trump boys will be applying for licenses. area51 Feb 2020 #2

Fingers crossed atreides1 Feb 2020 #4

Yeah, fuck those Secret Service guys for doing their job! How dare they! Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #5

Oh, Beavis and Butthead tRump likely Scarsdale Feb 2020 #7

Thank you!! n/t Coventina Feb 2020 #10

I wouldn't be fond of doing it, either. Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #11

Someone doesn't have to do it. christx30 Feb 2020 #15

Given how difficult and competitive it is to be on the protective detail, I wouldn't quit. Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #17

A Secret Service job is very hard to get Polybius Feb 2020 #25

I agree pandr32 Feb 2020 #13

They can just take more money from charities for veterans and children. keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #12

Evil is consuming this planet. democratisphere Feb 2020 #3

Put the Trump twins - Beavis and Butthead - down for three, so that'll be one each. marble falls Feb 2020 #6

Elephants deserve to live more than greedy, stupid humans Yeehah Feb 2020 #8

+1 Kurt V. Feb 2020 #53

I cry for the elephants of the world CountAllVotes Feb 2020 #9

Botswana's elephant population has tripled in the past 30 yr NickB79 Feb 2020 #14

We must kill the elephants to save them!!!! Coventina Feb 2020 #19

We are overpopulating the planet, but refuse to do anything NickB79 Feb 2020 #20

Yes, it enrages me. Coventina Feb 2020 #21

Team Corona, United! nt mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #79

. Coventina Feb 2020 #85

+1 HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #29

You can definitely discuss it with me and Coventina ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #78

There are only 2 million people in Botswana and 130,000 elephants. milestogo Feb 2020 #39

No, not really. We are over-populating the planet. Every biologist will tell you so. Coventina Feb 2020 #40

Botswana is by no means overpopulated. milestogo Feb 2020 #41

Elephants are by no means overpopulated. n/t Coventina Feb 2020 #42

You're deliberately ignoring the particulars of the situation. milestogo Feb 2020 #43

I despise anyone who kills animals for sport. I despise anyone who kills an Coventina Feb 2020 #44

Do you eat meat? milestogo Feb 2020 #47

No, I do not. n/t Coventina Feb 2020 #52

They're not killing them for sport. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #60

Are the hunters going to eat them? If not, it's for sport and despicable. n/t Coventina Feb 2020 #62

I assume they won't. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #65

There is no good reason to be killing these elephants. None. Coventina Feb 2020 #66

They will never recover to historic norms. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #67

As a human, who expects humans to behave with "humanity" I criticize any and all nations Coventina Feb 2020 #69

Probably the meat will go to Botswana poor. Hangingon Feb 2020 #93

SO LET THE CONSERVATIONISTS BUY THEM - they can move them elsewhere!! flamingdem Feb 2020 #33

Did you read the article? packman Feb 2020 #36

Couldn't we buy the tickets and not do anything with them? Initech Feb 2020 #64

'Whups, I missed. Time to go home.' AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #68

"Near-sentient"?? Doremus Feb 2020 #96

The treasury department under Mnuchin Scarsdale Feb 2020 #16

People were afraid Botswana would reverse its animal protections after sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #18

Help me here. Botswana is home to some 130,000 elephants, the world's largest population. Nitram Feb 2020 #22

Oh FFS HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #28

African elephants are an endangered species. Poaching for sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #31

The IUCN moved African elephants from endangered to vulnerable status in 2004, in part because the Nitram Feb 2020 #34

We must kill the elephants to save them!!!!! Coventina Feb 2020 #37

Facile, simplistic, and just plain non-scientific. Limiting an animal population to the size that a Nitram Feb 2020 #56

On the contrary, most biologists now say that "wildlife management" is wrong-headed. Coventina Feb 2020 #58

I'm afraid that is not possible in a world which animals share with humans. To "leave animals alone Nitram Feb 2020 #72

The problem is that we are not "sharing." Humans have no business pretending we're the Coventina Feb 2020 #74

It is not only a problem of human hubris. Unless you want to start culling humans, the Nitram Feb 2020 #75

I will never, ever, EVER find it acceptable to kill wildlife in favor of humans. EVER. Coventina Feb 2020 #76

You haven't answered the main question. How can animal species survive unless either we cull human Nitram Feb 2020 #87

Interesting stance, Coventina. If a scientific calculation proved that your death would provide more Nitram Feb 2020 #88

I'm quite happy to kill myself. I think I made that clear already. n/t Coventina Feb 2020 #89

Oh, my! Nitram Feb 2020 #90

WWF and AWF disagree. sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #38

Why must you pretend that the Africa of 90 years ago is still relevant to a discussion of Nitram Feb 2020 #57

Oh, go away. I was just there in November. Elephants and sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #59

I lived in Africa for two years. Don't lecture me about your little "visits." How do you propose Nitram Feb 2020 #73

This sucks.hey will then have no reason for any tourism in Botswana. Very horrible choice. Eco-tour- Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #23

There is plenty of reason for tourism in Botswana. milestogo Feb 2020 #45

How much would a permit... SergeStorms Feb 2020 #24

This really disappoints me since I worked in Botswana for a short time in 1995 and abqtommy Feb 2020 #26

sad to kill elephants!! marieo1 Feb 2020 #27

Evil bastards. blueseas Feb 2020 #30

Whatever Botswana's reason is for allowing this, Talitha Feb 2020 #32

Yes, seriously. Duppers Feb 2020 #35

REMINDER: The people of Botswana have the right to self - determination. milestogo Feb 2020 #46

Christ, does your post miss the point and wander off packman Feb 2020 #49

Wow, just wow. milestogo Feb 2020 #50

We are the world packman Feb 2020 #54

Thank you. You don't just have a right , you Phoenix61 Feb 2020 #55

Western gun assholes... MountCleaners Feb 2020 #92

I'll take the elephants over crappy humans any day, no matter what country they are. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #82

So Africans are crappy humans? milestogo Feb 2020 #83

Go blow a smoke screen elsewhere. Crappy people think killing majestic animals is ok. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #86

And xenophobes see Africans as crappy people. milestogo Feb 2020 #91

I see people who authorize it, people who buy the permits and people who do the killing as crappy. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #95

As usual it's money and greed. Jack-o-Lantern Feb 2020 #48

there are like a handful of fission/ fusion society's across all of the animal kingdom. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #51

I say we raise the money and buy it and then don't do anything with it. Initech Feb 2020 #61

Sadly, they are not allowing conservationists to purchase the permits. Coventina Feb 2020 #63

Namibian elephants counter attack the murderers of their friend. Marcuse Feb 2020 #70

Can I sell them for only $800? Brainfodder Feb 2020 #71

I'm gonna just say ... more than anyone in this scenario I'm disgusted most by the people who'd mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #80

I wonder if that money could have been raised... MountCleaners Feb 2020 #94

Horrible. I wonder if there is any way to find out who bought them. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #81