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The Velveteen Ocelot

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14. Anders Tegnell probably should be publicly flogged.
Fri May 8, 2020, 11:02 AM
May 2020

But now the Swedes are claiming Norway and the other Nordic countries will catch up with them eventually because their lockdowns are just dragging out the process and everybody will get the virus sooner or later.

Johan Giesecke, an advisor to the World Health Organization (WHO) and former state epidemiologist, thinks Sweden is the best in the world. Although the Swedish model has led to significantly higher death rates than in the other Nordic countries, he thinks it will even out.

"It is impossible to slow down, and will kill about as many people per inhabitant and country," he told the newspaper. Giesecke describes the virus as a natural disaster and says those countries that have closed society now will experience high death rates in the fall, winter and year to come.
https://www.aftenposten.no/verden/i/y32XKA/svensk-epidemiolog-tror-norden-vil-ta-igjen-sverige?

Really? Does he not take into consideration the fact that keeping some kind of lockdown in place protects people while buying time to develop treatments and vaccines and to increase hospital capacity so people who do get sick can be treated effectively?

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Those aren't really deaths: that's just "herd immunity" working its magic Mike 03 May 2020 #1
Sweden is now almost 8 times worse than Norway exboyfil May 2020 #2
We'll see if that's still the case a year or two from now democrattotheend May 2020 #17
I mean, yeah, Sweden's argument is based on that Recursion May 2020 #21
I guess the film, "The Mist" was never translated to Swedish. Hugin May 2020 #22
Yes, it is horrifically fatalistic and lacks trust in science to develop treatments. SunSeeker May 2020 #33
off topic... The Mist not_the_one May 2020 #53
I've had the oddest relationship with this movie... Hugin May 2020 #54
Total deaths, adjusted for population it's actually 10x AtheistCrusader May 2020 #25
Yet the rates aren't far apart, both over 200/1,000,000 Warpy May 2020 #26
I think it is meaningless to compare us to Sweden exboyfil May 2020 #28
The comparison is valid Warpy May 2020 #30
Well, that seems to be working out well. calimary May 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Walleye May 2020 #4
3,100 deaths. To keep their economy strong. I hope it's worth it jimfields33 May 2020 #5
Recent reporting suggests their economy will be hit harder than gibraltar72 May 2020 #10
That is weird. jimfields33 May 2020 #23
People are less likely to buy stuff when surrounded by death and suffering IronLionZion May 2020 #27
I get that. jimfields33 May 2020 #34
Many restaurants won't get enough revenue to cover their rent IronLionZion May 2020 #38
That's true. jimfields33 May 2020 #40
Concerning the economy, Hav May 2020 #11
That is so strange. jimfields33 May 2020 #24
Their economy is still suffering DrToast May 2020 #29
How's that eugenics Herd Immunity working out for ya? Hugin May 2020 #6
Didja notice it seems to be white privileged guys yelling for herd immunity? dixiegrrrrl May 2020 #16
I don't know what ever happened to the quaint concept of... Hugin May 2020 #20
Two reasons jimfields33 May 2020 #35
Muslims dying at highest demographic jimfields33 May 2020 #39
Herd immunity would be mandatory mass immunization IronLionZion May 2020 #7
I heard Sweden's Muslim community is hardest hit. Not sure if true just heard that somewhere. jimfields33 May 2020 #36
Low income workers in general IronLionZion May 2020 #41
Good point about coal mining. jimfields33 May 2020 #42
So much Swedish success Politicub May 2020 #8
314 now ibeplato May 2020 #9
FU Sweden. Now you've pissed off Mr spray tan and he will now do more to kill us Submariner May 2020 #12
So funny. We typically use Sweden for showing positives of how a country should run jimfields33 May 2020 #43
Actually, they aren't the happiest in the world. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #44
Sweden's Death Rate RobinA May 2020 #13
But it's vastly higher than neighboring countries with very similar demographics, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #15
Anders Tegnell probably should be publicly flogged. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #14
They probably will be similar over time democrattotheend May 2020 #18
Maybe most people will get it eventually, but slowing the epidemic down The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #19
K & R N/T w0nderer May 2020 #31
Where do they get these numbers..? mitch96 May 2020 #32
You can only compare Norway and Denmark jimfields33 May 2020 #37
"only compare Norway and Denmark" mitch96 May 2020 #45
I agree jimfields33 May 2020 #46
A lot of people have an agenda, political or otherwise. Steelrolled May 2020 #49
Hasn't Sweden's per capita numbers been higher than the US for a long time? onenote May 2020 #47
My same reaction. Steelrolled May 2020 #48
As South Korea and New Zealand can tell you rocktivity May 2020 #50
Sweden admits failure to protect elderly in care homes DVDGuy May 2020 #51
A Trumpster on Twitter was saying "look at Sweden only 3,000 deaths" RhodeIslandOne May 2020 #52
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