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happyslug

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27. Yes, is private lap dancing more like a Wrestling then a ballet???
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:18 PM
Oct 2012

Football, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball, boxing, Wrestling, etc are two sets of people who are interacting with each other in a unrehearsed "dance". If you define "Dance" as something physical people do as their interact together on a stage.

If you go to a Football, Hockey, Basketball, or baseball game, you have to pay tax on the food and drink you buy to watch the team members interact. If you go to a Boxing match or a Wrestling tournament you are watching two or more people interact (in the case of "Professional" Wrestling it is clearly pre-planed just like a ballet). The problem is when it comes to professional sports (Including Wrestling) the food and drink are clearly taxable. The tax code provides a narrow exception when it comes to dances on a stage. The Court held that the lap dance providers failed to show how they are more like a Ballet then Wrestling and that being the case the Tax Tribunal was correct in denying them the exemption from the sales tax on Food and Drink.

The dissent are more concerned about various US Supreme Court Decisions holding that one can not pass a rule against a legal business just because you dislike it (i.e. one can not zone out exotic dance clubs while permitting restaurants in the same area). The problem with that line of cases is that the ban was General not an exception to a general ban. Here we have a General rule, Drinks and food will be subject to the Sales Tax but then that general rule has an exception, that exception being for Dances. What is a dance under the Rule? What the Court has permitted, that is Ballets and other STAGE or rehearsed productions. What has NOT been covered by the Exceptions? Wrestling and other sporting events, even when it is pre-rehearsed and performed on a "Stage".

Sorry, this is enough of a narrow exception to a general rule for the Federal Courts to accept. Does it ban lap dances, no, it only requires that any drink or food sold be subject to a sales tax, the same sales tax any other activity has to pay, except for the narrow exceptions of Dances. The tax Tribunal ruled that lap dances are NOT dances as that term is used in the exception to the General rule that taxes must be paid.

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'high brow' dance = rich people = tax breaks, 'low brow' dance = poor people = no tax breaks. n/.t PoliticAverse Oct 2012 #1
because only poor people get lap dances HankyDub Oct 2012 #3
I'm poor, I don't get lap dances TrogL Oct 2012 #4
I don't even know what a "lap dance" is. Trillo Oct 2012 #21
At a strip club an entertainer will sit in your lap and writhe about TrogL Oct 2012 #31
No, only poor people GIVE lap dances... ret5hd Oct 2012 #39
and why is that? HankyDub Oct 2012 #41
I'm a retired ballet teacher OKNancy Oct 2012 #7
I don't think it's a silly post. It speaks to cultural colonialism. TalkingDog Oct 2012 #9
this is stretching to make a point OKNancy Oct 2012 #11
And by your definition Grandma Moses wasn't an artist TalkingDog Oct 2012 #15
I made my point OKNancy Oct 2012 #16
You have missed most of my point. I'm defending your sister by defending the lap dancers TalkingDog Oct 2012 #18
It implies that certain culture is acceptable 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #25
Oh please HankyDub Oct 2012 #38
It's not about the lap dancing 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #44
So the facts aren't the issue HankyDub Oct 2012 #46
I'm not sure how you interpreted that to mean the facts are not the issue 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #47
Who said that? HankyDub Oct 2012 #51
wrong SemperEadem Oct 2012 #32
I would argue that you are reading the minds of the lap dancers. You don't know TalkingDog Oct 2012 #35
and you can't read the mind of lap dancers, either... SemperEadem Oct 2012 #43
riiiiiiight HankyDub Oct 2012 #52
You don't have to change your underwear after seeing the Mona Lisa. rug Oct 2012 #2
Speak for yourself. n/t eggplant Oct 2012 #5
Exactly n/t TalkingDog Oct 2012 #8
Here is the actual decsion happyslug Oct 2012 #6
That certainly brings up interesting constitutional arguments ... groundloop Oct 2012 #10
Yes, is private lap dancing more like a Wrestling then a ballet??? happyslug Oct 2012 #27
I guess this means I can stop throwing dollar bills at ballet dancers thelordofhell Oct 2012 #12
I, personally, have seen lapfog_1 Oct 2012 #13
I, personally, would like to see femrap Oct 2012 #19
How about if the dancers dress in tutus? brooklynite Oct 2012 #14
It's a damn shame that femrap Oct 2012 #17
Many artists earn next to nothing 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #26
I'm quite aware of the femrap Oct 2012 #28
They said what it is not. Iggo Oct 2012 #20
Sorry, but grinding on some man's "lap" is not art Sivafae Oct 2012 #22
What's the difference between art and porn? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #24
I would say the difference between art and porn is SemperEadem Oct 2012 #33
Jeff Koons: From the "Made in Heaven" series. Do a Google Image Search TalkingDog Oct 2012 #34
Then that depends on the parent, the year, the culture, and so on 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #36
I think it can reasonably be argued SemperEadem Oct 2012 #42
Ah so we're talking about superior culture 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #45
those are your words, not mine SemperEadem Oct 2012 #48
An insult and a refusal to address the issue 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #49
What if they recited Shakespeare while they danced? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #23
Since when They_Live Oct 2012 #29
next they will declare that pole dancing is not art. Lap dancing is the same, only on a smaller pole olddad56 Oct 2012 #30
They'll only incite furor until they legally change the name of "lap dance" to "penis stimulation". truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #37
it is just pole dancing on a smaller pole that the customer has to errect. olddad56 Oct 2012 #53
Next there will be a decision on shower dances... Historic NY Oct 2012 #40
Done correctly, it can produce a Jackson Pollock piece. reflection Oct 2012 #50
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