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moriah

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57. No, but by giving payers (aka insurance companies/self-insured businesses)...
Sun Jul 4, 2021, 10:05 AM
Jul 2021

.... the same ability to have a "conscience" as an individual medical practitioner (who have almost always had some kind of conscience exemption for participation in medical procedures that go against their conscience)...

Then it could very easily, for example, lead to insurers denying single men or men married to other men coverage for PrEP regimens -- even if their doctor thinks it is the best thing for their health. Some might say the only situation their conscience could allow PrEP to be covered would be for married heterosexual sero-discordant couples of reproductive age, so they can continue to have sex without condoms and "replenish the earth".

While I think a doctor who won't give a life-saving medication to someone because they think the patient should live according to the doc's own morals and if they did they wouldn't need said life-saving medication should really hang up their stethoscope, we've recognized the right of Catholic surgeons/hospitals to refuse to do sterilization procedures.

I truly do not think a self-insured company (as the "payer" under this law) should get to dictate whether or not it will cover procedures/meds that don't violate a provider or hospital's conscience -- and in fact are recommended by that doctor in the course of a doctor-patient relationship as medically necessary.

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I'm so sick of these self-righteious, hypocritical, immoral assholes. -nt CrispyQ Jul 2021 #1
He's Gonna Get Sued By The DOJ WHITT Jul 2021 #2
This is exactly the sort of case the conservative SCOTUS has been waiting for. NullTuples Jul 2021 #47
When did the goods and services we produce become embued with our religious beliefs? bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #3
How long has the Church (or in America, conservative Protestantism) been a power? NullTuples Jul 2021 #25
Since at least the 5th century. HUAJIAO Jul 2021 #27
Catholic True Blue American Jul 2021 #55
Should we ask our doctor if they would treat LGBTQ people? Marthe48 Jul 2021 #4
That is exactly what many if not nearly all LGBTQ people are forced to do. NullTuples Jul 2021 #26
Where does it end? BadGimp Jul 2021 #5
I say it's high time we all pass a budget "allowing medical providers to deny services to [GQPers] KPN Jul 2021 #6
You can do that now, with no new legislation required. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #33
Even in very red and gerrymandered OH the GOP should soon become extinct Botany Jul 2021 #7
We better hope this committee we voted for True Blue American Jul 2021 #56
"...they are doing as much dirty work as they can before they are run out of town." Botany Jul 2021 #58
Now Catholics/Protestants can refuse to treat each other? keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #8
The SCOTUS opened the door with the Hobby Lobby decision lonely bird Jul 2021 #43
Sanctimonious ass! Diamond_Dog Jul 2021 #9
I'm waiting for these idiot assholes to write something that they can deny treating fat people MiniMe Jul 2021 #10
They don't need to obese people are already being discriminated against. Runningdawg Jul 2021 #15
Can someone link the text of the bill? ScratchCat Jul 2021 #11
You're right, it doesn't specifically mention LGBTQ people. subterranean Jul 2021 #28
No, but by giving payers (aka insurance companies/self-insured businesses)... moriah Jul 2021 #57
let's allow gov & private insurers to deny benefits to the righteously unvaccinated - they are bringthePaine Jul 2021 #12
Intolerance masking as "religion" Nancy Waterman Jul 2021 #13
Sometimes I wish Jesus would return just to redefine His principles to His followers. rickyhall Jul 2021 #14
the party of "pro-life" are scum. ZonkerHarris Jul 2021 #16
It's the Hippocratic Oath. Not Hypocritical Oath. n/t Harker Jul 2021 #17
Remember early on in the pandemic, when we were calling DeWine one bullwinkle428 Jul 2021 #18
same thing with Hogan XanaDUer2 Jul 2021 #61
The language of the bill is a little more general ladym55 Jul 2021 #19
Remember: Jesus was not a 'Christian'. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #45
I do remember ladym55 Jul 2021 #50
I was agreeing with your point, not disagreeing. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #51
Sorry ladym55 Jul 2021 #52
We had an earlier discussion along those lines of word-only communications. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #53
And under Fulton and what will be its progeny this will be legal dsc Jul 2021 #20
How does this affect ER visits? EndlessWire Jul 2021 #21
"Does this law allow them to turn away people who need emergency care?" Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #34
Thank you for your answer. EndlessWire Jul 2021 #48
But...but..gay people can marry. Homophobia is over. Gay rights are won! Behind the Aegis Jul 2021 #22
Yup Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #63
Ohio is getting as bad as Indiana. roamer65 Jul 2021 #23
So how do these medical providers know someone is lgbt? Can a medical provider refuse someone Jetheels Jul 2021 #24
JFC 28 right wing states racing to see who can be the most discriminating's authoritarian turbinetree Jul 2021 #29
Republican Jesus is full of hate. sarcasmo Jul 2021 #38
Agreed ....................... turbinetree Jul 2021 #40
Hate is their personal god. Solly Mack Jul 2021 #30
True that! mountain grammy Jul 2021 #32
Why? Why are they so hateful? NurseJackie Jul 2021 #31
From the Gospel of DeWine, Chapter 1, Verse 1. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #36
I am a doctor and I am sick of healing republicans. The Jungle 1 Jul 2021 #35
yup Skittles Jul 2021 #46
They get a "high" from being mean. Mary in S. Carolina Jul 2021 #37
Yep and being mean is in the GOP handbook. sarcasmo Jul 2021 #59
so. how does this balance your budget sir? i wanna know . AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #39
so this means a LGBTQ MD/EMT/RN/XRay technologist can refuse to treat a trumper or a racist? irisblue Jul 2021 #41
Republicans just plain suck. I'm sorry, but I'm done with reaching across the aisle bullshit. They Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #42
What does he care? He's 74, he'll never run for another office. C Moon Jul 2021 #44
Goes both ways.... paleotn Jul 2021 #49
How can you be a licensed provider if you let your religion determine whether you treat someone? SunSeeker Jul 2021 #54
Personally, I never want any hateful, ignorant fascist treating me for Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2021 #60
Disgusting. Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #62
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