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Beastly Boy

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30. I am very ambivalent about this policy.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 04:53 PM
Jul 2021

Israel is walking a fine line between collective punishment and justice. By certain measures, it very likely oversteps the conduct permissible under international law. But since we are talking about this case, I don't have the information to determine whether boundaries have been crossed. And since I am talking out of ignorance of the case, I am not about to pronounce the "justice denied" verdict based on my ignorance.

As far as Israel's policy being just, what is justice in the case of a random attack on civilians? Although the policy is unjust, it is certainly more humane than than that of the terrorists. To be fair, the applications of the concept of justice towards Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorists are few and far between in certain circles. For instance, I hear a lot about Israel applying disproportional force towards Hamas, but not at all about Hamas applying disproportional disregard for international law and human life when it comes to Israel.

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And Israelis wonder why the Palestinians hate them. Lonestarblue Jul 2021 #1
Revenge instead of justice. sinkingfeeling Jul 2021 #2
I can't think of a better way to make "terrorists" than to impoverish innocent people... ExciteBike66 Jul 2021 #3
There's a much better way to make terrorists FBaggins Jul 2021 #7
Apparently, Mr. Shalaby didn't give a shit about his kids when he became a terrorist. Or his home. Beastly Boy Jul 2021 #9
It isnt right, but he shot three 19 year olds in a drive by, one died. I feel more sympathy for Ziggysmom Jul 2021 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jul 2021 #5
I'm sure that the murders he committed were posted here somewhere FBaggins Jul 2021 #6
A search of the guy's name reveals this as the only DU thread involving him. Jedi Guy Jul 2021 #12
Is that seta1950 Jul 2021 #8
Terrorism must pay pretty well Turbineguy Jul 2021 #10
Definitely not standard for others in the Palestinian community in the West Bank FBaggins Jul 2021 #11
No trial? No due process? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #13
Yes trial. Yes due process. All the way up to Israel's Supreme Court. Beastly Boy Jul 2021 #18
I don't see ANY mention of a conviction. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #19
Oh please. Look harder. Beastly Boy Jul 2021 #21
Okay, my mistake, but do you think this policy is just? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #22
I am very ambivalent about this policy. Beastly Boy Jul 2021 #30
Okay, that's an honest, thoughtful response. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #33
Where did Israel learn these revenge / reprisal tactics? Mysterian Jul 2021 #14
Let's just say that they learned the wrong lessons from the holocaust. n/t MrModerate Jul 2021 #16
From the Palestinians of course FBaggins Jul 2021 #17
But Palestinians are the baddies, right? Mysterian Jul 2021 #23
In this scenario, yes. FBaggins Jul 2021 #24
So, it's OK to commit terrorism in order to discourage terrorism? Mysterian Jul 2021 #25
That is in no sense "terrorism" FBaggins Jul 2021 #27
Oh, it went through their supreme court so it's OK, Mysterian Jul 2021 #29
The second Muntasser Shalaby fired at an Israeli, he forefeited his rights under Geneva Conventions. Beastly Boy Jul 2021 #31
Your linked citation doesn't support your claim FBaggins Jul 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Jul 2021 #38
This is one of the many reasons that people hate the Israeli government. They're bullies. n/t MrModerate Jul 2021 #15
There is a solution to this, don't be a terrorist ripcord Jul 2021 #20
Were the family members living in the home terrorists too? Mysterian Jul 2021 #26
Unlikely, but not impossible. Beastly Boy Jul 2021 #32
The other thing you don't see in the article is that she didn't own the home FBaggins Jul 2021 #34
Collective punishment Demovictory9 Jul 2021 #28
Yes. Murdering people on a street corner just because they're Jewish is collective punishment FBaggins Jul 2021 #36
I view Palestinians like I do antivaxxers... VarryOn Jul 2021 #37
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