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bluewater

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Mon Nov 1, 2021, 02:52 PM Nov 2021

Manchin says he won't back $1.75 trillion economic agenda bill without 'greater clarity' about its e [View all]

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Source: CNN

Sen. Joe Manchin said he won't support the $1.75 trillion reconciliation bill Democrats are negotiating until there is "greater clarity" about the impact it will have on the country's national debt and the economy, a warning sign for Democratic leaders trying to pass a pair of legislative packages key to President Joe Biden's agenda as soon as this week.

"Simply put, I will not support a bill that is this consequential without thoroughly understanding the impact that it will have on our national debt, our economy and most importantly all of our American people," Manchin said at a news conference Monday afternoon.

Manchin also called on the House of Representatives to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and warned, in an implicit rebuke to progressives, that "holding this bill hostage" won't work in getting him to support the larger social spending and economic package. Manchin has been non-committal about that larger package since Biden released a framework, but reiterated major concerns today.

The moderate Democrat from West Virginia has been coy about his views of this proposal, despite months of efforts by Biden and his team to court the senator to back a pared back plan. But Manchin has been concerned about a number of proposals, including an expansion of Medicare.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index.html



So, Manchin shows us exactly where he stands... right smack in the way blocking the Build Back Better reconciliation bill.

After all the negotiations and all the concessions made to appease him and all the one on one talks with the President at the White House, Manchin still flat out refuses to support President Biden's agenda.

So much for his "negotiating in good faith"...



Note: This was posted with the complete original headline, but CNN updated the article and now leads with the headline:

Manchin warns he may vote against Biden social safety net plan as he criticizes key aspects

Sen. Joe Manchin said he won't support the $1.75 trillion social safety net expansion bill Democrats are negotiating until there is "greater clarity" about the impact it will have on the country's national debt and the economy, casting major doubt about whether President Joe Biden can get his agenda through Congress.

At a news conference on Monday afternoon, Manchin laid out fundamental concerns over the approach that Biden and his party are taking in their sweeping agenda. He rejected the party's push to expand social programs and castigated Democrats for using "gimmicks" to hide the true cost of the plan and said far more time is needed to evaluate its economic impact to guard against potential negative consequences.

Despite months of a lobbying campaign by the White House to win over Manchin, including by cutting the price tag in half and making cuts to key programs, the West Virginia moderate's comments indicate that Democrats may never be able to win his support on this proposal.

"I'm open to supporting a final bill that helps move our country forward, but I am equally open to voting against a bill that hurts our country," he said in a warning shot to his party.

The comments come at a critical time for Biden's agenda and are a major blow to party leaders who had been hoping to imminently pass the social safety net plan along with a separate $1 trillion infrastructure bill.

Democratic leaders had been trying to pass both measures, which are key to Biden's agenda, as soon as this week. Manchin's comments make clear that is unlikely to happen.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index.html
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mitch mcconnell is happy as a clam to hear this. is the check in the mail? nt msongs Nov 2021 #1
Here we go again, Biden wonder why his numbers are sinking Historic NY Nov 2021 #2
Exactly. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #5
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #48
+1000 bluewater Nov 2021 #7
he just keeps stringing it along as long as possible eShirl Nov 2021 #3
When Biden is out of country... BlueJac Nov 2021 #4
"Joe Manchin plays back stabber, and bully' bluewater Nov 2021 #6
THis is exactly what was expected. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #8
Excuse after excuse, duforsure Nov 2021 #9
Ok, its official Manchin is an asshole. nt cstanleytech Nov 2021 #10
The names I am calling him are much worse. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #12
Yes he Rebl2 Nov 2021 #39
Can we just call him a Republican now quakerboy Nov 2021 #57
Fuck Joe Machin and his fossil fuel industry industry buddies. jalan48 Nov 2021 #11
Well, His Problem RobinA Nov 2021 #13
I've said before Biden needs to go to West Va. hell, hook up with the Governor.. Historic NY Nov 2021 #17
I agree! Biden needs to go to West Virginia. . . . h2ebits Nov 2021 #53
THIS orangecrush Nov 2021 #56
It is REPUBLICANS who are blocking the bill !!!!!!!!!!!! HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #14
I agree with your point, but it's up to the Democrats to circumvent the media. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #22
Absolutely right. HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #30
Agreed. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #41
I believe they just have no clue there is a vicious war going on. HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #44
I'm in Texas hamsterjill Nov 2021 #45
I am also in upstate (central NY) eilen Nov 2021 #63
Right there with their Billionaire Bosses as usual. rickyhall Nov 2021 #25
The corporate media seems to forget there are 50x more Republicans blocking the bill. While Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #28
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #49
The Republicans, including S&M quakerboy Nov 2021 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Nov 2021 #15
Person who can't understand complexity demands complex explanation to the last detail bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #16
I absolutely hate this guy. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2021 #18
Right on! Mickju Nov 2021 #27
The 'clarity' argument empedocles Nov 2021 #19
Fuck you Man Chin Coal Millionaire motherfucker snort Nov 2021 #20
Video of his statement here... PoliticAverse Nov 2021 #21
West Virginia Joe won't vote for it until it's just a tax cut for the 1% BradAllison Nov 2021 #23
Time to blackmail him. cilla4progress Nov 2021 #24
Probably not even necessary. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #42
But first we need to elect more Democrats in the Senate. eilen Nov 2021 #64
Look, I like the optimism. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #66
Has nothing to do with clarity, he's all about the taxes on the wealthy wildman76 Nov 2021 #26
The problem H2Oart Nov 2021 #29
+1000 hamsterjill Nov 2021 #43
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #50
Gee, what a surprise. Lobbyists get your checkbooks out. rurallib Nov 2021 #31
Here we go again ! left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #32
Go back to the $3.75T and explain to voters that this amount over a 10-year period is far, far less in2herbs Nov 2021 #33
How much could Biden do using 'Executive orders' ? left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #34
Jeebus H. Desert Dog Nov 2021 #35
What Do You Expect From Manchin nwliberalkiwi Nov 2021 #36
Just pass the bipartisan bill then, and follow up with the reconciliation infrastructure bill JohnSJ Nov 2021 #37
Does he need someone to Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #38
Gawd I wish Democrats could get a bigger majority one time. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2021 #40
I swear this guy must be on the RNC payroll. Vinca Nov 2021 #46
Such a dick. What a total waste as a Dem Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #47
Does he know how to read? LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #51
Wow. I know many said this was going to happen Sapient Donkey Nov 2021 #52
Manchin is cementing his reputation as a contrarian pain in the ass. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2021 #54
"No Billionaire Left Behind" oasis Nov 2021 #55
Gawd DAMN this man!!! Bayard Nov 2021 #59
"I will not support a ball that is this consequential without thoroughly understanding the impact.." Marcuse Nov 2021 #60
Spot on MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #65
He's going to water it down then blow it up anyway? durablend Nov 2021 #61
worse... myohmy2 Nov 2021 #62
We can't say anything negative about Dems. So, Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #67
Stop being angry long enough to consider Manchins position Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2021 #68
Manchin wants to see headlines that start with... zanana1 Nov 2021 #69
I know there's a "D" next to his name, but... LudwigPastorius Nov 2021 #70
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