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BumRushDaShow

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9. They have been watching the UK as a "canary" (and test bed for mitigation or lack thereof)
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:21 PM
Nov 2021
NEWS EXPLAINER
02 November 2021

Why scientists worldwide are watching UK COVID infections
The country’s relaxation of measures such as masking — especially in England — is showing the limits of relying on vaccines alone.

Luke Taylor


The COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom has often foreshadowed what came later elsewhere. The highly contagious Alpha variant was first detected there, and the country then reported high caseloads of the more-contagious Delta strain before this variant dispersed around the rest of the world. The United Kingdom also saw a wave of infections that seems to have preceded a similar glut now sweeping Western Europe. Furthermore, England was among the first regions in Western Europe to lift almost all of its COVID-19 restrictions, following one of the world’s fastest vaccine roll-outs.

It ended the legal requirements for social distancing and mask use on 19 July, with Wales and Scotland — which set their own public-health policies — lifting most of their restrictions on 7 and 9 August, respectively. Northern Ireland followed on 31 October. As one of the first countries to trust high vaccine coverage and public responsibility alone to control the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the United Kingdom has become a control experiment that scientists across the world are studying. “We are watching the increase in cases closely, trying to dissect what is going on and how that might influence our situation right now,” says Rafael Radi, a biochemist and coordinator of Uruguay’s COVID-19 Scientific Advisory Group.

Can vaccines alone prevent infections from surging?

The United Kingdom was hit by three million infections between July and October this year — comparable to when the country was under a strict lockdown in late 2020. This is despite 79.5% of those aged 12 years and older having received two vaccine doses as of 31 October. UK infection rates are higher than those in countries in continental Europe, where COVID-19 restrictions were relaxed later or remain in place. In the 7 days between 17 October and 23 October, Spain recorded 286 infections per one million people, and Germany 1,203. The United Kingdom registered 4,868 over the same week.

The surge in infections shows that vaccines alone cannot contain the virus, say scientists calling for the introduction of ‘soft’ public-health measures to avoid another lockdown. “The vaccines are amazing and doing exactly what they’re supposed to do,” says Susan Butler-Wu, director of medical microbiology at the LAC+USC Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. “But why don’t we want to give them the best chance by combining them with other measures?”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03003-6


So far here in Philly, we have actually validated some of this by reintroducing mitigation such as mandating masking indoors and in schools (since August). And while we are 66+% ages 12+ fully vaxxed here, our positivity rates are lower (by half in fact) than the higher-vaxxed surrounding suburbs, none of which have mask mandates for indoors (only recommendations).




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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
November 4, 2021 COVID-19 update:

233 new cases
169,242 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,997 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
2.2% positivity rate

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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12:30 PM · Nov 4, 2021


That has caused hand-wringing by the local media here who make insulting the city a spectator sport (as they all live in the 'burbs). For example, CDC has us at 66% fully vaxxed (12+) (link - https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view|Risk|community_transmission_level), but the Inky is still showing old data of only "56%" in their articles that they refuse to update out of spite or lazy journalism.

Philly is less vaccinated than the suburbs, but those counties’ COVID-19 cases are higher. Does masking make the difference?


by Jason Laughlin and Aseem Shukla
Published Oct 30, 2021

The latest pandemic paradox in the Philadelphia region is that the city, while less vaccinated than virtually all its neighboring counties, has a lower rate of COVID-19 cases than any of them. This has continued even as the suburban counties outstrip Philadelphia’s vaccination rates. The city has fully vaccinated about 56% of its total population. Only Gloucester County has a lower vaccination rate. Bucks, Delaware, and Burlington Counties all have vaccination rates of nearly 65% or better.

Yet COVID-19 is still infecting a larger percentage of their populations. The reasons for the seemingly counterintuitive trend are not clear, but the Philadelphia Department of Public Health has a theory. “The only difference I see is the mask mandate,” said Cheryl Bettigole, the city’s acting health commissioner. “It’s hard to see what the difference is otherwise.”

Philadelphia reinstated its indoor mask mandate in August as the delta variant drove a new surge in COVID-19 cases. The mandate remains in effect and the city said in early September that it had no intentions of ending it any time soon. There is no similar indoor mask mandate through the rest of the state. New Jersey recommends indoor masking but does not mandate it.

City-gathered data from early October found about 80% of people entering and exiting shops had masks on, and the majority were wearing them correctly, said James Garrow, a health department spokesperson.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/mask-philadelphia-pennsylvania-mandate-covid-montgomery-chester-20211030.html


To me it's common sense and as a trained scientist myself, there is absolutely nothing wrong with including "common sense" (like masking up in close quarters) when doing scientific data evaluations.
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I loved that term "doomer" - I thought it was quite clever. Steelrolled Nov 2021 #39
some hoax eh 45? Dumbass Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #2
Its all on him but, like those nonchalent killers you see on the crime shows, Peregrine Took Nov 2021 #5
yeah mob bosses don't give a shit. And that's what the Don is. Sure set the tone for where we are. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #6
More... chowder66 Nov 2021 #3
So a Massive pandemic among UNVACCINATED...these uns will kill us all still. Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #20
So they blame... bamagal62 Nov 2021 #4
No stats, but it's clearly the unvaccinated... SergeStorms Nov 2021 #24
Any word on the severity of these cases? IronLionZion Nov 2021 #7
If they're running out of Hospital beds, the cases are severe. Would not hospitalize mild cases. Fla Dem Nov 2021 #19
German government claims it's mostly unvaccinated people being hospitalized IronLionZion Nov 2021 #26
This Happening In Germany Now Is Coming At A Time When.... global1 Nov 2021 #8
Well sad @global1. And we never seem to acknowledge that the US will follow suit of what's iluvtennis Nov 2021 #11
I entirely agree dickthegrouch Nov 2021 #12
They have been watching the UK as a "canary" (and test bed for mitigation or lack thereof) BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #9
These statistics are quite clear: Ghost Dog Nov 2021 #38
Over a year ago BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #41
Do is the surge due to a new variant? angrychair Nov 2021 #10
Article doesn't say, but it does mention that it is "among the unvaccinated". NYC Liberal Nov 2021 #21
German health ministry claims it's unvaccinated being hospitalized IronLionZion Nov 2021 #27
It's higher. LisaL Nov 2021 #32
Where did you get the US number? IronLionZion Nov 2021 #33
Here. LisaL Nov 2021 #34
That's disappointing IronLionZion Nov 2021 #35
Yep, yet another country that surpassed the USA... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #40
Egypt is rising Tetrachloride Nov 2021 #13
Thailand is exploding grantcart Nov 2021 #15
I remember hoards of Germans no_hypocrisy Nov 2021 #14
The date from this story is 4/11/2021. slater71 Nov 2021 #16
Yes. That's today. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #17
That's today, European method of day/month/year. Nt LittleGirl Nov 2021 #25
Outside the US, that means November 4. IronLionZion Nov 2021 #28
Get vaccinated rockfordfile Nov 2021 #18
Here in BC we are at around 85% fully vaccinated, but cases have exploded among unvaxed Fiendish Thingy Nov 2021 #22
Vaccination plus mask & staying away from crowds IbogaProject Nov 2021 #23
Clear and Present Danger zipplewrath Nov 2021 #29
The anti-vax sentiment is strong in Germany DFW Nov 2021 #30
Germany is still better vaccinated than US. LisaL Nov 2021 #31
We are far more densely populated DFW Nov 2021 #36
Wonder where they are in that every 2 months surge graph? Are we due again? N/T Shanti Shanti Shanti Nov 2021 #37
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