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In reply to the discussion: 'Grave concern' over Covid in Europe as German cases soar [View all]BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)9. They have been watching the UK as a "canary" (and test bed for mitigation or lack thereof)
NEWS EXPLAINER
02 November 2021
Why scientists worldwide are watching UK COVID infections
The countrys relaxation of measures such as masking especially in England is showing the limits of relying on vaccines alone.
Luke Taylor
The COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom has often foreshadowed what came later elsewhere. The highly contagious Alpha variant was first detected there, and the country then reported high caseloads of the more-contagious Delta strain before this variant dispersed around the rest of the world. The United Kingdom also saw a wave of infections that seems to have preceded a similar glut now sweeping Western Europe. Furthermore, England was among the first regions in Western Europe to lift almost all of its COVID-19 restrictions, following one of the worlds fastest vaccine roll-outs.
It ended the legal requirements for social distancing and mask use on 19 July, with Wales and Scotland which set their own public-health policies lifting most of their restrictions on 7 and 9 August, respectively. Northern Ireland followed on 31 October. As one of the first countries to trust high vaccine coverage and public responsibility alone to control the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the United Kingdom has become a control experiment that scientists across the world are studying. We are watching the increase in cases closely, trying to dissect what is going on and how that might influence our situation right now, says Rafael Radi, a biochemist and coordinator of Uruguays COVID-19 Scientific Advisory Group.
Can vaccines alone prevent infections from surging?
The United Kingdom was hit by three million infections between July and October this year comparable to when the country was under a strict lockdown in late 2020. This is despite 79.5% of those aged 12 years and older having received two vaccine doses as of 31 October. UK infection rates are higher than those in countries in continental Europe, where COVID-19 restrictions were relaxed later or remain in place. In the 7 days between 17 October and 23 October, Spain recorded 286 infections per one million people, and Germany 1,203. The United Kingdom registered 4,868 over the same week.
The surge in infections shows that vaccines alone cannot contain the virus, say scientists calling for the introduction of soft public-health measures to avoid another lockdown. The vaccines are amazing and doing exactly what theyre supposed to do, says Susan Butler-Wu, director of medical microbiology at the LAC+USC Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. But why dont we want to give them the best chance by combining them with other measures?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03003-6
02 November 2021
Why scientists worldwide are watching UK COVID infections
The countrys relaxation of measures such as masking especially in England is showing the limits of relying on vaccines alone.
Luke Taylor
The COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom has often foreshadowed what came later elsewhere. The highly contagious Alpha variant was first detected there, and the country then reported high caseloads of the more-contagious Delta strain before this variant dispersed around the rest of the world. The United Kingdom also saw a wave of infections that seems to have preceded a similar glut now sweeping Western Europe. Furthermore, England was among the first regions in Western Europe to lift almost all of its COVID-19 restrictions, following one of the worlds fastest vaccine roll-outs.
It ended the legal requirements for social distancing and mask use on 19 July, with Wales and Scotland which set their own public-health policies lifting most of their restrictions on 7 and 9 August, respectively. Northern Ireland followed on 31 October. As one of the first countries to trust high vaccine coverage and public responsibility alone to control the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the United Kingdom has become a control experiment that scientists across the world are studying. We are watching the increase in cases closely, trying to dissect what is going on and how that might influence our situation right now, says Rafael Radi, a biochemist and coordinator of Uruguays COVID-19 Scientific Advisory Group.
Can vaccines alone prevent infections from surging?
The United Kingdom was hit by three million infections between July and October this year comparable to when the country was under a strict lockdown in late 2020. This is despite 79.5% of those aged 12 years and older having received two vaccine doses as of 31 October. UK infection rates are higher than those in countries in continental Europe, where COVID-19 restrictions were relaxed later or remain in place. In the 7 days between 17 October and 23 October, Spain recorded 286 infections per one million people, and Germany 1,203. The United Kingdom registered 4,868 over the same week.
The surge in infections shows that vaccines alone cannot contain the virus, say scientists calling for the introduction of soft public-health measures to avoid another lockdown. The vaccines are amazing and doing exactly what theyre supposed to do, says Susan Butler-Wu, director of medical microbiology at the LAC+USC Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. But why dont we want to give them the best chance by combining them with other measures?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03003-6
So far here in Philly, we have actually validated some of this by reintroducing mitigation such as mandating masking indoors and in schools (since August). And while we are 66+% ages 12+ fully vaxxed here, our positivity rates are lower (by half in fact) than the higher-vaxxed surrounding suburbs, none of which have mask mandates for indoors (only recommendations).
Link to tweet
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Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
November 4, 2021 COVID-19 update:
233 new cases
169,242 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,997 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
2.2% positivity rate
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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12:30 PM · Nov 4, 2021
@PHLPublicHealth
November 4, 2021 COVID-19 update:
233 new cases
169,242 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,997 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
2.2% positivity rate
For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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12:30 PM · Nov 4, 2021
That has caused hand-wringing by the local media here who make insulting the city a spectator sport (as they all live in the 'burbs). For example, CDC has us at 66% fully vaxxed (12+) (link - https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view|Risk|community_transmission_level), but the Inky is still showing old data of only "56%" in their articles that they refuse to update out of spite or lazy journalism.
Philly is less vaccinated than the suburbs, but those counties COVID-19 cases are higher. Does masking make the difference?
by Jason Laughlin and Aseem Shukla
Published Oct 30, 2021
The latest pandemic paradox in the Philadelphia region is that the city, while less vaccinated than virtually all its neighboring counties, has a lower rate of COVID-19 cases than any of them. This has continued even as the suburban counties outstrip Philadelphias vaccination rates. The city has fully vaccinated about 56% of its total population. Only Gloucester County has a lower vaccination rate. Bucks, Delaware, and Burlington Counties all have vaccination rates of nearly 65% or better.
Yet COVID-19 is still infecting a larger percentage of their populations. The reasons for the seemingly counterintuitive trend are not clear, but the Philadelphia Department of Public Health has a theory. The only difference I see is the mask mandate, said Cheryl Bettigole, the citys acting health commissioner. Its hard to see what the difference is otherwise.
Philadelphia reinstated its indoor mask mandate in August as the delta variant drove a new surge in COVID-19 cases. The mandate remains in effect and the city said in early September that it had no intentions of ending it any time soon. There is no similar indoor mask mandate through the rest of the state. New Jersey recommends indoor masking but does not mandate it.
City-gathered data from early October found about 80% of people entering and exiting shops had masks on, and the majority were wearing them correctly, said James Garrow, a health department spokesperson.
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/mask-philadelphia-pennsylvania-mandate-covid-montgomery-chester-20211030.html
by Jason Laughlin and Aseem Shukla
Published Oct 30, 2021
The latest pandemic paradox in the Philadelphia region is that the city, while less vaccinated than virtually all its neighboring counties, has a lower rate of COVID-19 cases than any of them. This has continued even as the suburban counties outstrip Philadelphias vaccination rates. The city has fully vaccinated about 56% of its total population. Only Gloucester County has a lower vaccination rate. Bucks, Delaware, and Burlington Counties all have vaccination rates of nearly 65% or better.
Yet COVID-19 is still infecting a larger percentage of their populations. The reasons for the seemingly counterintuitive trend are not clear, but the Philadelphia Department of Public Health has a theory. The only difference I see is the mask mandate, said Cheryl Bettigole, the citys acting health commissioner. Its hard to see what the difference is otherwise.
Philadelphia reinstated its indoor mask mandate in August as the delta variant drove a new surge in COVID-19 cases. The mandate remains in effect and the city said in early September that it had no intentions of ending it any time soon. There is no similar indoor mask mandate through the rest of the state. New Jersey recommends indoor masking but does not mandate it.
City-gathered data from early October found about 80% of people entering and exiting shops had masks on, and the majority were wearing them correctly, said James Garrow, a health department spokesperson.
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/mask-philadelphia-pennsylvania-mandate-covid-montgomery-chester-20211030.html
To me it's common sense and as a trained scientist myself, there is absolutely nothing wrong with including "common sense" (like masking up in close quarters) when doing scientific data evaluations.
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I remember when I was called a "doomer" for expressing concern about the delta variant...
bluewater
Nov 2021
#1
Its all on him but, like those nonchalent killers you see on the crime shows,
Peregrine Took
Nov 2021
#5
yeah mob bosses don't give a shit. And that's what the Don is. Sure set the tone for where we are.
Evolve Dammit
Nov 2021
#6
So a Massive pandemic among UNVACCINATED...these uns will kill us all still.
Alexander Of Assyria
Nov 2021
#20
If they're running out of Hospital beds, the cases are severe. Would not hospitalize mild cases.
Fla Dem
Nov 2021
#19
German government claims it's mostly unvaccinated people being hospitalized
IronLionZion
Nov 2021
#26
Well sad @global1. And we never seem to acknowledge that the US will follow suit of what's
iluvtennis
Nov 2021
#11
They have been watching the UK as a "canary" (and test bed for mitigation or lack thereof)
BumRushDaShow
Nov 2021
#9
Article doesn't say, but it does mention that it is "among the unvaccinated".
NYC Liberal
Nov 2021
#21
Here in BC we are at around 85% fully vaccinated, but cases have exploded among unvaxed
Fiendish Thingy
Nov 2021
#22
Wonder where they are in that every 2 months surge graph? Are we due again? N/T
Shanti Shanti Shanti
Nov 2021
#37