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mahatmakanejeeves

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14. Can you cite a source for that? All I've come up with so far is
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 06:45 PM
Nov 2021

maybe, maybe not.

For instance:

How early was the coronavirus really circulating in Italy?

By Yasemin Saplakoglu November 18, 2020

A new study suggests as early as September of last year, but some experts are skeptical.

The new coronavirus may have been circulating in Italy since September 2019, months before the first official case was detected in the country, according to a new study from Italy. But public health experts say that more analysis is needed for that timeline to be confirmed.

The World Health Organization's China office first picked up the scent of a mysterious cluster of pneumonia cases in the city of Wuhan from local media statements on Dec. 31 and rang the alarm bells at the start of the new year, according to the WHO's timeline. Scientists later traced the first known case of COVID-19 in Wuhan back to Nov. 17, 2019, Live Science previously reported.

But the actual pandemic timeline — from the moment the virus hopped from animals to humans to when it first crossed international borders — remains murky. Italy, one of the worst-hit countries in Europe during the first wave of the virus, recorded its first local case on Feb. 20 in Lombardy, a region in northern Italy. That case suggested that the virus had been circulating in Italy since January of this year, according to the new study published on Nov. 11 in the Tumori Journal.

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"I would be very cautious," about these findings, said Dr. George Rutherford, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco, who was also not a part of the study. The results "have to be confirmed with different antibody tests," that look for the prevalence of antibodies that target other parts of the coronavirus.

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Something more recent would help.

Thanks.

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Paywall Bayard Nov 2021 #1
They had stopped eating them... jmowreader Nov 2021 #7
Journalist goes undercover at "wet markets", where the Coronavirus started Larissa Nov 2021 #2
The problem is it's circumstantial. Igel Nov 2021 #3
Kick Omaha Steve Nov 2021 #4
they mapped the 1st deaths. closer to the animal market. therefore the animal market. duh pansypoo53219 Nov 2021 #5
The WSJ Drags Out The Dead Horse WHITT Nov 2021 #6
Earliest documented case in Europe was in January of 2020. LisaL Nov 2021 #8
Where Ya Been? WHITT Nov 2021 #10
What cases? LisaL Nov 2021 #13
Can you cite a source for that? All I've come up with so far is mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2021 #14
I Love WHITT Nov 2021 #15
Can you find round two? It would help. Thanks. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2021 #17
It's Old News WHITT Nov 2021 #21
Long, short, and middle of this issue Rural_Progressive Nov 2021 #9
Moot WHITT Nov 2021 #11
Apparently you know more than a scientist publishing in Science. LisaL Nov 2021 #12
I'm Afraid Not WHITT Nov 2021 #16
Sure don't but thanks to my background and my wife's work Rural_Progressive Nov 2021 #19
Cases in Europe before 2012? Rural_Progressive Nov 2021 #18
Nope WHITT Nov 2021 #20
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