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BumRushDaShow

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30. A couple things come to mind regarding the possibilities but the most obvious
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:48 AM
Dec 2021

might be the fact that infections were never uniform over a fixed time period, both globally and domestically. In fact, an increasingly standard assumption has evolved that the U.S. infections from a new variant have occurred about "2 - 3 weeks after UK infections".

The pandemic has always been a bubbling cauldron where in a specific time range, a set of regions were hitting a peak of infection while other areas only had few or no confirmed cases.

As an extreme example, during the period when FL was peaking, a different large population states like NY, were at a lull, having come off their peak.

So the graph literally only shows the series of snapshots of total cases/deaths over time but is blending (smoothing) where they happened. I.e., this pandemic spread around the country (and world) in a non-uniform fashion. Early on in the pandemic in the U.S., your largest infections were happening in the northeast, and took time before hitting much of the rest of the country and you never had all of the states with large populations, simultaneously reaching a peak for cases, hospitalizations, or deaths at exactly the same time.

I expect it would be difficult to find time periods where there was some type of "synchronization" of peaks and valleys around the country.

I want to almost give an analogy like this -



So for example if you made a graph with a series of distinct overlaid plots for each locale and label (on the plot vs on an axis) the peaks for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, with the Y axis as totals and the X axis showing time, you will see the skew better. Sortof like this -



Using actual NYT data, you see the skew (shift) (the Y-scale is a bit different but shouldn't be too much of an issue with the below comparisons but I wish they had kept the scales the same or allowed the Y axis to be adjustable so you could see a truer "overall" comparison) -

TEXAS



NEW YORK



FLORIDA



Where NY had been at a "lull" around the July time period and gradually increased while TX and FL suddenly exploded. Similarly you will see the November time frame where FL came off a large summer peak where NY was already taking off again.

So using the generic chart that I manually annotated with a yellow (ball-parked free-draw) curve to average the red/green/blue curves, you see sortof that average shift of the max and time (and normally the green would probably be a good fit for an average of red & blue, the blue has such a long tail that it would skew the whole average including the green line, to the right)-



So when looking at "global" (or say "U.S." ) "peaks", that is nothing but an "average over time" of all the data and the skew would be enough to distort trying to calculate the timing between cases and hospitalizations and then between hospitalizations and deaths, since those time intervals are only measured in weeks and the "waves" have never been uniform.

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Wow. LisaL Dec 2021 #1
Jeez that's awful. Terry_M Dec 2021 #2
I posted their proportions graph from last week recently and the new one is out today BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #3
Wow, thanks for posting the data Quakerfriend Dec 2021 #4
You are welcome. At this point we will have to see if the primary vaccine series + boosters BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #6
If I'm reading those graphs right,... LudwigPastorius Dec 2021 #10
Yeah it's pretty dramatic BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #13
I suspect you'll appreciate this weighted map of omicron cases in the US. herding cats Dec 2021 #19
Only took a couple of weeks to start blowing past Delta BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #21
I saw such rumblings. herding cats Dec 2021 #25
Has anyone else seen this... flying t Dec 2021 #34
That is a spam link not "Newsweek" and you'd be best to self-delete. BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #35
The mistake is mine flying t Dec 2021 #36
It could be good IronLionZion Dec 2021 #37
Thank you for these. Wow, fast spreading Omicron. uppityperson Dec 2021 #17
You are welcome. BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #20
that was fast, hopefully it takes Delta's place completely with much less lethality. nt yaesu Dec 2021 #5
Way too soon to tell if it is less lethal. Be careful what you hope for. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #41
73% of new cases Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #7
Yes, I updated it just now after I saw that CNN updated it. milestogo Dec 2021 #9
Give it a few weeks. Igel Dec 2021 #12
That was fast. With the holidays upon us it's going to grow like a forest fire. captain queeg Dec 2021 #8
Today I saw only about half the people with masks BigmanPigman Dec 2021 #11
I just ordered some from Amazon. milestogo Dec 2021 #15
Yes, and I find that if I back up to maintain a 6 feet distance, most just step forward progree Dec 2021 #16
I remember last year when this guy went viral BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #22
Not a bad idea, it beats being intubated /nt progree Dec 2021 #23
Wonder what you think about nytimes World: new cases vs. new deaths progree Dec 2021 #24
A couple things come to mind regarding the possibilities but the most obvious BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #30
Thanks much, great graphics! I'll have to play around with some curves, and spend progree Dec 2021 #39
You are welcome! BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #40
Priceless, 1st one is for me, I gotta have it now! Thanks.. appalachiablue Dec 2021 #28
Let's normalize social distance all the time IronLionZion Dec 2021 #38
I've been putting my mask on when I step out the door Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #42
Went to the Mall of America yesterday NickB79 Dec 2021 #14
Weighted estimates of cases per state map below. herding cats Dec 2021 #18
Isn't that an eye opener. BigmanPigman Dec 2021 #26
I wonder if you can have both? OneCrazyDiamond Dec 2021 #27
That'd be a plot for yet another horror movie about COVID, honestly. moriah Dec 2021 #33
Oh, Uggh, a very sharp 47% rise in Monday new cases over last Monday, driving 7dma up 21% progree Dec 2021 #29
First Omicron death in the US in Texas reported. Unvaxxed and had Covid before Bengus81 Dec 2021 #31
My state's active cases are back on the rise... moriah Dec 2021 #32
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