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In reply to the discussion: Pence to fight subpoena from special counsel investigating Trump on separation of powers grounds [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(182,809 posts)17. Pence is set to argue that his former role as president of the Senate protects him from Subpoena
The speech and debate clause did not protect Lindsey Graham in the Georgia subpoena case.
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Pence is set to argue that his former role as president of the Senate therefore a member of the legislative branch shields him from certain Justice Department demands.
Pence allies say he is covered by the constitutional provision that protects congressional officials from legal proceedings related to their work language known as the speech or debate clause. The clause, Pence allies say, legally binds federal prosecutors from compelling Pence to testify about the central components of Smiths investigation. If Pence testifies, they say, it could jeopardize the separation of powers that the Constitution seeks to safeguard.
He thinks that the speech or debate clause is a core protection for Article I, for the legislature, said one of the two people familiar with Pences thinking, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss his legal strategy. He feels it really goes to the heart of some separation of powers issues. He feels duty-bound to maintain that protection, even if it means litigating it.
Pences planned argument comes after an FBI search that followed his attorneys voluntary report of classified material in his possession last month drawing him into a thicket of document-handling drama thats also ensnared Trump and President Joe Biden. While Pence aides say hes taking this position to defend a separation of powers principle, it will allow him to avoid being seen as cooperating with a probe that is politically damaging to Trump, who remains the leading figure in the Republican Party.
Pence allies say he is covered by the constitutional provision that protects congressional officials from legal proceedings related to their work language known as the speech or debate clause. The clause, Pence allies say, legally binds federal prosecutors from compelling Pence to testify about the central components of Smiths investigation. If Pence testifies, they say, it could jeopardize the separation of powers that the Constitution seeks to safeguard.
He thinks that the speech or debate clause is a core protection for Article I, for the legislature, said one of the two people familiar with Pences thinking, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss his legal strategy. He feels it really goes to the heart of some separation of powers issues. He feels duty-bound to maintain that protection, even if it means litigating it.
Pences planned argument comes after an FBI search that followed his attorneys voluntary report of classified material in his possession last month drawing him into a thicket of document-handling drama thats also ensnared Trump and President Joe Biden. While Pence aides say hes taking this position to defend a separation of powers principle, it will allow him to avoid being seen as cooperating with a probe that is politically damaging to Trump, who remains the leading figure in the Republican Party.
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Pence to fight subpoena from special counsel investigating Trump on separation of powers grounds [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Feb 2023
OP
Protecting Trump over the Country will be Pence's Presidential campaign slogan
Freethinker65
Feb 2023
#1
Republican logic. Courts have been ruling against Trump's fake claims of "Privilege," doubt
emulatorloo
Feb 2023
#70
What seperation. It's the executive branch investigating the executive branch.
bullimiami
Feb 2023
#16
Pence is set to argue that his former role as president of the Senate protects him from Subpoena
LetMyPeopleVote
Feb 2023
#17
Smith is not playing games. Pence doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
emulatorloo
Feb 2023
#71
Not. Gonna. Work. Doing crime while on the job is not protected. Pence knew the coup was planned.
Ford_Prefect
Feb 2023
#26
It only took SCOTUS around two months to rule against Trump's EP claims. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Feb 2023
#48
We shall see, but I don't think Pence is as significant a witness as the media says
Fiendish Thingy
Feb 2023
#52
Immunity wouldn't circumvent the Separations argument to compel testimony
Fiendish Thingy
Feb 2023
#54
Of course Pence is fighting it. He wants the MAGA crowd to know he is being "forced" so they
flying_wahini
Feb 2023
#41
Lindsey tried this nonsense to get out of testifying in GA. Didn't work out for him.
emulatorloo
Feb 2023
#72
Agreed, he claims to be very devout. So I don't see how he justifies hiding out.
emulatorloo
Feb 2023
#76
Is this not the same thing that Lindsey Graham tried? It failed then and will fail now.
panader0
Feb 2023
#69
Andrew Weisman-Interesting thread on Pence legal argument Re Jack Smith subpoena.
LetMyPeopleVote
Feb 2023
#81