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maxsolomon

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29. That's not making a case for "Poland is next".
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 02:28 PM
Mar 2023

You're making a case for "Moldova is next", which is what I'm saying too.

Crimea is not Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_Crimea_in_the_Soviet_Union

The transfer of the Crimean oblast to Ukraine has been described as a "symbolic gesture", marking the 300th anniversary of the 1654 Treaty of Pereyaslav, called the "Reunification of Ukraine with Russia" in the Soviet Union.[11][17][18] It was also attributed to Communist Party first secretary Nikita Khrushchev, although the person who signed the document was Chairman Kliment Voroshilov, the Soviet Union's de jure head of state.[19]

Mark Kramer, professor of Cold War Studies at Harvard University, also claimed that the transfer was partly to help Khruschev's then-precarious political position against the Prime Minister Georgii Malenkov through winning support of the First Secretary of the Ukrainian Communist Party Oleksiy Kyrychenko. Kramer believed that the transfer also aimed to greatly increase the number of ethnic Russians in the Ukrainian SSR which itself was going through problems integrating previous Polish territory due to organized Ukrainian nationalist resistance.[20]

Nina Khrushcheva, a political scientist and the great-granddaughter of Nikita Khrushchev, said of his motivation, "it was somewhat symbolic, somewhat trying to reshuffle the centralized system and also, full disclosure, Nikita Khrushchev was very fond of Ukraine, so I think to some degree it was also a personal gesture toward his favorite republic. He was ethnically Russian, but he really felt great affinity with Ukraine."[11] Sergei Khrushchev, Khrushchev's son, claimed that the decision was due to the building of a hydro-electric dam on the Dnieper River and the consequent desire for all the administration to be under one body.[21] Since Sevastopol in Crimea was the site of the Black Sea Fleet, a quintessential element of Soviet and then of Russian foreign policy, the transfer had the intended effect of binding Ukraine inexorably to Russia, "Eternally Together", as a poster commemorating the event proclaimed. Other reasons given were the integration of the economies of Ukraine and Crimea and the idea that Crimea was a natural extension of the Ukrainian steppes.[22] There was also a desire to repopulate parts of Crimea with Slavic peoples, mainly Russians and Ukrainians, after the peninsula was subject to large-scale criminal deportations of Crimean Tatars to Central Asia by the Soviet regime in 1944.[23]


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Poland also knows if Ukraine Falls Best_man23 Mar 2023 #1
+1 2naSalit Mar 2023 #4
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #6
True. sheshe2 Mar 2023 #17
I don't think that's accurate. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #18
I think it's accurate in terms of intentions. EndlessWire Mar 2023 #26
That's not making a case for "Poland is next". maxsolomon Mar 2023 #29
Well, USA and other countries, it's time to step up! ananda Mar 2023 #2
They don't know how to fly our planes BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #10
Excellent point! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #33
He needed it to transport some "transparent aluminum" panels BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #34
Wow! Thanks so much for the whole story! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #35
Are they still talking about that? It's been a f-----g year. nt doc03 Mar 2023 #3
Yup SheltieLover Mar 2023 #7
Flying isnt the issue Cheezoholic Mar 2023 #12
Poland and the US have led the effort to protect Democracy samsingh Mar 2023 #5
No doubt in my mind where qpukes' loyalties are. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #8
Like the pukes before WW2 were all in for Hitler and Nazi Germany...uff it all about $$$$$$ nt mitch96 Mar 2023 #15
Yup SheltieLover Mar 2023 #16
When the Russians rolled across the border a year ago, Igel Mar 2023 #13
To be fair only 11 GOP's voted against the last Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations EX500rider Mar 2023 #38
Great. More help. ancianita Mar 2023 #9
Good news! Although it should have happened sooner FoxNewsSucks Mar 2023 #11
Bless Poland orangecrush Mar 2023 #14
Right on! Dustin The Wind Mar 2023 #19
like it republianmushroom Mar 2023 #20
The Ukrainian blue-wave Mar 2023 #21
Excellent news - here's hoping that this is the beginning of the end of this unprovoked war Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #32
These are to be used for defensive purposes only, am I right? FakeNoose Mar 2023 #22
It's seems unlikely they would be flying them into Russia. XorXor Mar 2023 #28
Finally, Ukraine is getting fighters Biglinda 52 Mar 2023 #23
"Why can't Israel give them some fighters?" BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #24
This is excellent news!!! n/t iluvtennis Mar 2023 #25
Poland is getting a lot of weapons from South Korea dalton99a Mar 2023 #27
Bootin' Putin squarely in his ass! oasis Mar 2023 #30
Hopefully the Russian manufacturing defects have been repaired. Crowman2009 Mar 2023 #31
HA! yagotme Mar 2023 #37
Seems that blowing up the Kerch Bridge leaves Russian forces in Crimea unsupplied Kennah Mar 2023 #36
Neither Russia or Ukraine has air superiority. Hence the artillery war. JanMichael Mar 2023 #39
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