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Celerity

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40. selective xenophobia running riot from certain quarters
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 07:29 PM
Mar 2023

The same arguments are being tossed out by some for Russians living in the US now that were used to justify the Japanese internment camps back in the day.

They could be Japanese agents/spies of Hirohito, so it's better to play it safe!

Now substitute Russian and Putin in that sentence.

As long as it is a bogeyman, a spectre, that they hate/fear, then it's all good, despite the same (or at least similar) things, the same xenophobia, being manifested in the past against other groups that they happen to approve of/like/admire (thus sparking selective outrage for THAT historical abuse, whilst at the same time arguing for similar treatment for their non-preferred, non-approved-of groups).

It's sad to see this here on a self-proclaimed liberal/progressive board.

Hell, I wager some may well think I am perhaps a crypto-Russian agent just for bringing this up.

Some of the chatter here sounds a bit too much like what many Jews were told when they arrived in the US (and were turned away) in the 1930s/1940s:



The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies

In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

In the summer of 1942, the SS Drottningholm set sail carrying hundreds of desperate Jewish refugees, en route to New York City from Sweden. Among them was Herbert Karl Friedrich Bahr, a 28-year-old from Germany, who was also seeking entry to the United States. When he arrived, he told the same story as his fellow passengers: As a victim of persecution, he wanted asylum from Nazi violence.

But during a meticulous interview process that involved five separate government agencies, Bahr's story began to unravel. Days later, the FBI accused Bahr of being a Nazi spy. They said the Gestapo had given him $7,000 to steal American industrial secrets—and that he'd posed as a refugee in order to sneak into the country unnoticed. His case was rushed to trial, and the prosecution called for the death penalty. What Bahr didn’t know, or perhaps didn’t mind, was that his story would be used as an excuse to deny visas to thousands of Jews fleeing the horrors of the Nazi regime.

World War II prompted the largest displacement of human beings the world has ever seen—although today's refugee crisis is starting to approach its unprecedented scale. But even with millions of European Jews displaced from their homes, the United States had a poor track record offering asylum. Most notoriously, in June 1939, the German ocean liner St. Louis and its 937 passengers, almost all Jewish, were turned away from the port of Miami, forcing the ship to return to Europe; more than a quarter died in the Holocaust.

Government officials from the State Department to the FBI to President Franklin Roosevelt himself argued that refugees posed a serious threat to national security. Yet today, historians believe that Bahr's case was practically unique—and the concern about refugee spies was blown far out of proportion.

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Russian asylum-seekers should be seriously vetted. dalton99a Mar 2023 #1
Perhaps some of them only claim to have come here to escape Putin. ratchiweenie Mar 2023 #2
+1 2naSalit Mar 2023 #29
True, just claiming something does not mean treestar Jun 2023 #54
I suppose they could be suspected of espionage or of crimial activites Tom Rinaldo Mar 2023 #3
THIS!!☝️ alot of putrid's snakes in the grass so if feds have good reason they shld deport onetexan Jun 2023 #63
Sorry but both worth the risk. Putin and his agents have done Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #4
Can we at Traildogbob Mar 2023 #5
Each ruskie deported should take at least one maga family with them. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #9
I think Traildogbob Mar 2023 #13
Great point. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #14
Absolutely. Traildogbob Mar 2023 #16
After Poland caught that group secretly planning to blow up an airport, SheltieLover Mar 2023 #17
Please leave the kid out of it. n/t EndlessWire Mar 2023 #30
I agree. ShazzieB Jun 2023 #52
Good! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #6
+1. I trust Biden on this dalton99a Mar 2023 #8
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #10
There are 400,000 Russian nationals in the U.S. former9thward Mar 2023 #11
Not my call. I trust Joe. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #12
As do I. Owl Mar 2023 #28
Ok with me. Expel them all. Captain Zero Mar 2023 #36
Would you expel those who have become U.S. citizens? former9thward Mar 2023 #37
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Having been to Russia, I take your point. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2023 #50
My Mom used a phrase often mercuryblues Jun 2023 #51
I had great-grandparents who fled Russia. carpetbagger Jun 2023 #57
only the ones who have no legal status treestar Mar 2023 #42
The laws are surely more complex than that treestar Jun 2023 #55
Seriously? Despite the hyperbole in the article it is about ONE person being deported. One. An okaawhatever Jun 2023 #65
Yeesh TheProle Jun 2023 #64
whow. I am with the OP--I do not know what to make of this right now. .. riversedge Mar 2023 #7
Use the archive usonian Mar 2023 #15
Thanks for tips I will try. riversedge Mar 2023 #41
The Guardian doesn't have a paywall. nt Celerity Mar 2023 #39
Hmmm I am thinking about what happened during WWII to the Japanese Americans and immigrants so cstanleytech Mar 2023 #18
selective xenophobia running riot from certain quarters Celerity Mar 2023 #40
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very different; long term multi-generational treestar Mar 2023 #44
Actually it was also recent immigrants from japan that were also treated in the same manner and cstanleytech Mar 2023 #45
the Russians have a long tradition of US spying treestar Mar 2023 #46
100% certain Putin has sent some Russian agents to the US. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #19
I also believe that's what is going on here: C Moon Mar 2023 #24
Putin is very angry at the US right now. Of course he is going to increase his war against us. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #25
We should let them all in MaryMagdaline Mar 2023 #20
Sorry no safe harbor here. Go back to Russia organize some friends and depose Putin. ZonkerHarris Mar 2023 #21
REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Mar 2023 #33
How about deporting the real Russian s, republicans. nt yaesu Mar 2023 #22
This is not a good look. We should be offering them asylum mainer Mar 2023 #23
asylum is only for government persecution treestar Mar 2023 #43
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Was he here illegally ? Did he seek asylum or was just here ? JI7 Mar 2023 #26
Maybe IbogaProject Mar 2023 #27
Bye, Russians! orangecrush Mar 2023 #31
How about letting them stay after they spend 1 year in the Ukranian army? Wonder Why Mar 2023 #32
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We have to be concerned that some are sleepers Captain Zero Mar 2023 #35
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...and how many of them are FSB or GRU? roamer65 Mar 2023 #38
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Well said. Welcome to DU! marble falls Jun 2023 #53
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This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Jun 2023 #56
Some of the comments on this thread are disturbing. Xolodno Jun 2023 #59
You make good points that I agree with. mysteryowl Jun 2023 #60
I can tell you a bit of anecdotal evidence of it. Xolodno Jun 2023 #66
GOOD orangecrush Jun 2023 #61
tfg on the list? Kennah Jun 2023 #62
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tfg isn't Russian Kennah Aug 2023 #68
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Welcome back. marble falls Aug 2023 #72
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