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62. Jabari received a draft of a ceasefire deal.

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:56 AM

Nov 2012

He didn't receive the final copy.

He didn't say he accepted it.

He didn't say that his bosses accepted it.

There was no ceasefire. Just a lot of wishful thinking.

He was assassinated hours after receiving it. There's actually no word on what he had responded, or if he was going to respond (omniscience is overrated). All that's known is after he received it, the rockets into Israel continued. He was a senior military commander for Hamas.

It's a good thing when Turkey responds to a mortar shell from the Syrian Army. It's a good thing when Syrian rebels assassinate Bashar's senior military men. Only, apparently, because both hurt something that should be hurt, not because there's any principle of self-defense or principle that hurting senior ranking members of an opposing military is acceptable.

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Netanyahu says Israel will agree to ceasefire [View all] TomClash Nov 2012 OP

hopefully. barbtries Nov 2012 #1

It is a start, and if it happens they need to to start negotiations . This needs to stop still_one Nov 2012 #2

I have a friend I haven't heard from his last was rockets coming from GAza... Historic NY Nov 2012 #3

I have relatives in Israel garthranzz Nov 2012 #7

And what did Golda Meir say? n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #11

I am assuming the poster is referencing her quote to the affect that there will be peace when the Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #15

That's what I thought they were referring to as well. Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #35

Learn to spell garthranzz Nov 2012 #51

Lots , King_David Nov 2012 #28

Here's the quote garthranzz Nov 2012 #50

"Forcing us to kill their children." Scootaloo Nov 2012 #53

Thanks Scootaloo. Bohunk68 Nov 2012 #56

Another sanctimonious, self-righteous know-nothing anti-Semite garthranzz Nov 2012 #57

Yes, the ignorance and false equivalency of some is, indeed, shocking. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #66

Are you referring to yourself? Arabs are semites too. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #68

Anti-semitism means prejudice against Jewish people oberliner Nov 2012 #80

Oh playin' the anti-Semite card! johnq45 Nov 2012 #77

That's the second time you've used the word "claim" with regard to what the Nazis did. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #98

Most of the worlds Jews do not live in Israel. Walk away Nov 2012 #78

'I know more Jewish relatives and friends who abhor Israel's policies than support them. ' King_David Nov 2012 #91

Yes I am quite sure. In fact the only Jewish people I know who are happy with Israel's.... Walk away Nov 2012 #94

I attend huge gay synagogue King_David Nov 2012 #95

Sounds very religious. I can see why you meet many "like" thinkers. nt Walk away Nov 2012 #96

Nah none of that is religious, Gay shul social King_David Nov 2012 #97

I take it from my friends, relitives and clients. Walk away Nov 2012 #99

Yesterday, you were outraged at my characterization of overreaction and use of excessive force leveymg Nov 2012 #58

I was astounded by your comparison of Qassam III's to model rockets, levey Scootaloo Nov 2012 #67

It's more accurate to compare Quassams to model rockets than to call them "missiles" leveymg Nov 2012 #69

The point is, you don't need to downplay the threat of those rockets to make your point Scootaloo Nov 2012 #73

Exactly! Raksha Nov 2012 #61

Except for the part with the rockets being launched at Israel from Gaza oberliner Nov 2012 #81

Do you think blowing up Palestinians is a good solution to the problem? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #84

No oberliner Nov 2012 #85

Then don't pretend that Israel is being "forced" to kill Palestinians Scootaloo Nov 2012 #86

I don't recall making any such statement oberliner Nov 2012 #90

I think it's perfectly fair Scootaloo Nov 2012 #92

must not be in effect yet. Watching livestream of GAZA JesterCS Nov 2012 #4

Still dropping in Israel too, so no, it is not in effect yet. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #5

Very good news oberliner Nov 2012 #6

Maybe Israel should stop breaking ceasefires then. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #8

do you expect any country to tolerate a rain of rockets? what if that was your home city? Sunlei Nov 2012 #10

Do you expect any people should tolerate occupation, a blockade, or attacks on civilians? Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #14

Israel is not going away and I expect them to defend their people/country 100% Sunlei Nov 2012 #22

Do the Palestinians have the right to defend their people and land 100%? nt Bodhi BloodWave Nov 2012 #29

The Apartheid Israeli official position is that the Palestinians don't have the right PerceptionManagement Nov 2012 #60

Sadly, some of the victim were Indian Hassidim wellspring Nov 2012 #21

thanks I had not read who 1 of the 3 Israeli victims were azurnoir Nov 2012 #23

Thank you. wellspring Nov 2012 #24

two thirds do you have a link for that? azurnoir Nov 2012 #36

According to the OP eyl Nov 2012 #39

yeah well the OP also says that Netanyahu is considering a cease fire too azurnoir Nov 2012 #41

Isn't that an oxymoron? eyl Nov 2012 #40

Welcome to DU. I find something you said objectionable... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #31

In the view of some there is a moral equivalency between the dead murderer and his dead victim. wellspring Nov 2012 #44

Do you want to back up and ask the question I asked you? Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #46

Do you think blowing up Palestinians is a good solution to the problem? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #25

Do you think killing Nazis during WWII was a good solution to the problem? wellspring Nov 2012 #26

So Palestinians are Nazis and deserve death, then? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #27

No, Palestinians read Mein Kampf which is a best seller among them wellspring Nov 2012 #45

So do you think blowing up Palestinians is a good solution to the problem? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #47

I wonder if I should lend them my copy of the Hasbara Handbook? Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #49

The IDF has a social media arm. I think we may be seeing it in action. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #88

So Palestinians are Nazi wannabees and deserve death, then? Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #48

Not a good analogy. A better example... Raksha Nov 2012 #63

Is it ok to advocate genocide on DU now? Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #75

I don't expect Israel to tolerate a rain of rockets reggaehead Nov 2012 #55

good news! if not for The Iron Dome system would be so much worse. Sunlei Nov 2012 #9

So much worse? How much worse can it get when children have been killed? Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #13

Only Israeli's are people. That's why even though they started this round of violence by killing a Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #17

very sad that any people die. However if those 244 missles had got through Iron Dome, how many then? Sunlei Nov 2012 #30

We don't need to play the what if game when there's dead Palestinian children... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #33

Which leads to the point Hamas doesn't give a flying f--k either.... Historic NY Nov 2012 #42

I thought that point was a given... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #43

As we all know, the Palis never tell a lie. wellspring Nov 2012 #54

I don't think they want a ground war so they will try for a cease-fire. Good luck to them all! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #12

Then why did they break the ceasefire...AGAIN? Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #16

That is a great question to which I have no answer. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #18

Me neither. The rockets are unjustified, but the Israelis know every time they pull this shit Hamas Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #19

Yes that is it . King_David Nov 2012 #34

Then explain why Hamas can hold up their end of the bargain and Israel keeps breaking the ceasefire? Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #70

Ha ha King_David Nov 2012 #83

I can't find any news report anywhere that Israel broke the ceasefire this time. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #32

Israeli Negotiator: Hamas Commander Was Assassinated Hours After Receiving Truce Deal from Israel Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #37

Jabari received a draft of a ceasefire deal. Igel Nov 2012 #62

I'm no fan of Israel but Gaza's fired hundreds of missiles this year already before Jabari died riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #64

Try Democracy Now. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #71

Or you can try The Atlantic... riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #87

Israeli Ambassador Deletes Tweet Signaling Willingness To Sit Down With Hamas (Blames Staffer) azurnoir Nov 2012 #20

"Netanyahu says"...yeah, right and I believe in the tooth-fairy! eom Purveyor Nov 2012 #38

My concern is with the innocent people dying because of insane leaders on both sides... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #52

according to Harry Fear, An Elementary School was bombed. n/t JesterCS Nov 2012 #59

The so-called PA should not exist. David__77 Nov 2012 #65

Can Palestinians vote in Israeli elections then? Those living the West Bank and Gaza. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #72

No, they are not citizens of the State of Israel. David__77 Nov 2012 #74

I didn't ask currently. I meant in your proposed world where was no PA an Israel controlled the West Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #76

If Israel wants to have sovereignty over those areas, yes. David__77 Nov 2012 #79

Alright. Fair enough. I actually think I agree with you... Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #82

A democratic one-state solution would destroy Israel's Jewish identity. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #89

I fail to see how it would, as long as there is separation between religion and law. Ash_F Nov 2012 #93