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Beastly Boy

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1. When I hear of American "Russia experts" negotiating Ukraine's fate, I get very concerned.

Reply to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jul 6, 2023, 06:36 AM

Jul 2023

American "Russia experts" have precious little to show for earning their title. These are the same "experts" who were caught with their pants down during Russia's invasion of Ukraine, grossly overestimated the strength of Russia's army, were taken for fools by Russia's nukes blackmail, caught by surprise by the "little green men" in Crimea, did not anticipate Putin's role in the 2016 election of Trump, not to mention them completely missing the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991.

I also get very concerned that there is no mention of any Ukraine experts taking part in negotiating away the future of Ukraine.

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Former U.S. officials have held secret Ukraine talks with prominent Russians [View all] BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 OP

When I hear of American "Russia experts" negotiating Ukraine's fate, I get very concerned. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #1

Yes, any "talks" should in some way involve the people being attacked. oldsoftie Jul 2023 #3

Spot On!!!! +1000 blue-wave Jul 2023 #4

Yep! sybylla Jul 2023 #9

Putin DENVERPOPS Jul 2023 #17

With Ukraine's Permission? Me. Jul 2023 #2

A thousand times no! EndlessWire Jul 2023 #5

Fuck this, I have zero trust in members of the Council on foreign relations, gab13by13 Jul 2023 #6

Were any Ukrainians involved in the discussions? Botany Jul 2023 #7

No, Ukraine does not appear to have been involved. SunSeeker Jul 2023 #11

Why no mention of russian war crimes??? The Jungle 1 Jul 2023 #8

Fuck that. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2023 #10

I have no problem with them maintaining an open channel of communications with Moscow, but... SunSeeker Jul 2023 #12

Probably work as well as tfg negotiating directly with the taliban... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #13

Former senior US officials..key being former. You don't hear Sec Blinken or Gen Miley talking PortTack Jul 2023 #14

trump's old buddy, Lavrov, is involved Bayard Jul 2023 #15

Richard Haass stepped down in June? LiberalFighter Jul 2023 #16

This is good news hueymahl Jul 2023 #18

Ukraine should not accept "negotiations" Chrysanthemum Jul 2023 #19

How many lives are enough hueymahl Jul 2023 #20

Uh... the Ukrainians are a Free People, Free Country. THEY care, and want their land back. electric_blue68 Jul 2023 #22

Apparently Ukraine and Russia were close to a ceasefire at the beginning of the war. Xolodno Jul 2023 #21

I've seen the same thing reported hueymahl Jul 2023 #23

What if I told you energy could also be involved? Xolodno Jul 2023 #24

Follow the money hueymahl Jul 2023 #26

Logan Act violation? Kennah Jul 2023 #25