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52. I disagree with the premise of the question

Mon Jul 31, 2023, 05:19 PM

Jul 2023

That any resolution is a reward for Putin if it results in some present day Ukrainian land being surrendered. His face-saving is irrelevant. Hundreds of thousands have already been killed or injured in this war. I’m far more concerned with ending the meat grinder that is destroying a whole generation of young people.

So would I trade land for peace? It’s not ideal, but the alternative is so much worse. But ultimately that is a question for Ukraine. Right now we are using them as a proxy to hurt Russia. And I think that is despicable and against Liberal and Democratic values as I understand and try to live them. We should be pushing for peace, not ramping up the war with more funds and weapons.

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Official tells AP that Saudi Arabia will host a Ukrainian-organized peace summit in August [View all] BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 OP

THIS is the problem with both Democrats and Republicans RandySF Jul 2023 #1

I don't think it's a (moral) "trust" issue BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #2

I agree. Just like Churchill detested Stalin, but needed him to win WWII. Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #5

reminiscent of turducken Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #3

You are in their oil power. Now forget about the butchery. Forget! or GreenWave Jul 2023 #4

About fucking time! Obvious stalemate for months!! This will be solved by diplomats, not bullets. Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #6

Preach it! hueymahl Jul 2023 #16

Since Ukraine has apparently agreed to attend...what's the issue with the warhawks now?? Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #24

+1000000 hueymahl Jul 2023 #28

Neville? Is that you? paleotn Jul 2023 #33

I feel sorry for you hueymahl Jul 2023 #43

Oh please. paleotn Jul 2023 #53

This will be solved by Putin recognizing his failure and going home. Torchlight Jul 2023 #40

Apparently Ukraine disagrees with you, I agree with Ukraines desire for negotiated peace! Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #46

Ukraine is still defending itself with force, yes? Torchlight Jul 2023 #48

UGH............ Lovie777 Jul 2023 #7

Too bad there isn't some kind of a united world discussion forum tetedur Jul 2023 #8

I saw some articles yesterday BumRushDaShow Jul 2023 #9

China and India are the largest enablers. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #12

+1 dalton99a Jul 2023 #15

China, India and the US hueymahl Jul 2023 #17

Well there is peace and then there is "piece" and atm I suspect Putin will only accept a piece cstanleytech Jul 2023 #20

That is probably what it is going to take to end the bloodshed. hueymahl Jul 2023 #21

Unfortunately it's unlikely to actually work as it was tried with Germany already and appeasement cstanleytech Jul 2023 #23

I understand the fear hueymahl Jul 2023 #27

No, this isnt any different as Russia started the war to take territory of cstanleytech Jul 2023 #35

The peacemakers have also ways been shunned, the Chamberlain Syndrome tripe hasn't helped. Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #30

Negotiate what? Give up territory for peace? paleotn Jul 2023 #10

Would you be willing to turn ukraine into a nuclear waste land hueymahl Jul 2023 #18

You don't get it, do you. paleotn Jul 2023 #31

Agree as trying appeasement will only send the wrong message and it could encourage cstanleytech Jul 2023 #38

We have strayed so far hueymahl Jul 2023 #41

So Ukraine should surrender? cstanleytech Jul 2023 #44

As I've repeated multiple times hueymahl Jul 2023 #50

So give us your personal opinion though on if you think peace should be rewarding Russia by allowing cstanleytech Jul 2023 #51

I disagree with the premise of the question hueymahl Jul 2023 #52

As long as the settlement includes Russian withdrawal from Ukraine, reparations and turning over cstanleytech Jul 2023 #11

I support any talks that lead to peace hueymahl Jul 2023 #19

Again there is peace and then there is "piece" which is what Putin is only likely to cstanleytech Jul 2023 #22

Pretty sure he has gotten the message hueymahl Jul 2023 #29

Appeasment is not our root its rather been one where we fight for the little guy and in this cstanleytech Jul 2023 #34

Speaking for all liberal Dems now? paleotn Jul 2023 #32

Speaking for those that favor peace hueymahl Jul 2023 #42

No one here is against peace though as all Russia needs to do really is to stop the cstanleytech Jul 2023 #45

Could have fooled me hueymahl Jul 2023 #49

There is a difference between supporting a country trying to defend itself in a war vs supporting cstanleytech Aug 2023 #54

"Russia is not invited" Novara Jul 2023 #13

All that is assumption in the extreme, I would go with the assumptions of the diplomats. Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #25

An Interesting Development, Sir, Should It Come To Pass The Magistrate Jul 2023 #14

A peace conference was long in the works... recalling Chinese visit to Moscow months ago... Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #26

You Do Amuse, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2023 #36

Glad you all enjoying the show! We got more scripts in the works! Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #47

Russia isn't mentioned as one of the countrie Xanchez Jul 2023 #37

Not true!!! Putin is more than willing to negotiate he just insists he be allowed to hold a gun cstanleytech Jul 2023 #39