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56. Wrong. If Netanyahu had supported Abbas and a Palestinian state, Hamas would not have the influence they

Mon Dec 25, 2023, 07:05 PM

Dec 2023

now have.

Netanyahu fucked up big time.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

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Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject giving up power in return for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say [View all] lapucelle Dec 2023 OP

But.... But.... It's Israel's Fault! Deep State Witch Dec 2023 #1

Seems pretty far fetched to expect Hamas to give up power. TeamProg Dec 2023 #2

And there it is!!! Sal_NV Dec 2023 #3

What are you saying is Israel's fault exactly? Let me ask you this: TeamProg Dec 2023 #5

I have never said that Israel is fault less with some of their actions in this current war in Gaza, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #6

You seem to be lacking some serious information: TeamProg Dec 2023 #11

Which has nothing to do with this rejection of a peace settlement. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #14

Who in their right mind would trust Netanyahu's gov't? Hamas should demand that Netanyahu steps down as well if TeamProg Dec 2023 #15

And therein lies the problem, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Sal_NV Dec 2023 #18

"Hamas should demand..."? Hamas is a terrorist group. lapucelle Dec 2023 #31

Who in their right might would trust Trump's government? Kennah Dec 2023 #39

How do you think Netanyahu's actions are going to work out? More peace or more terrorism? I'm sure we'll TeamProg Dec 2023 #95

Israel set up a blockade because of terror attacks by Hamas, simple as that elias7 Dec 2023 #7

My B.in Law is Jewish. He can't fucking STAND what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians. And check this out:: TeamProg Dec 2023 #13

Yes, that is common knowledge. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #22

"Some of my best friends are Jewish"... Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #33

That came waaaaay after the fact that I presented. You'll need TeamProg Dec 2023 #38

What goal post are you talking about? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #44

+1 this is exactly fucking right. Fucking piece of shit Hamas terrorists don't get to dictate a motherfucking thing. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #106

There'a particular irony in your assertion Torchlight Dec 2023 #49

Netanyahu didn't make the decision to attack and murder innocent civilians back in October as that is all on Hamas. cstanleytech Dec 2023 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #24

For whom are you speaking when you write "Explain to us all"? lapucelle Dec 2023 #25

Didn't take long mcar Dec 2023 #9

Yeah it seems farfetched a terrorist group like Hamas EllieBC Dec 2023 #4

Yah, that's probably what King George thought of the colonial Americans.. And there is this: TeamProg Dec 2023 #10

I'm wondering how cavalier many here would be EllieBC Dec 2023 #16

Ah, so you want the Palestinians to finally be peaceful as the Native Americans are now after being oppressed, sickened, TeamProg Dec 2023 #19

Hamas again rejected a ceasefire, not "the Palestinians". lapucelle Dec 2023 #27

I wouldn't blame if they did. al bupp Dec 2023 #32

"that's probably what King George thought of the colonial Americans" EX500rider Dec 2023 #51

Terrorists don't surrender. They don't care about suppressed people. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #20

And precisely how does that differ... al bupp Dec 2023 #34

Netanyahu and his like are not billionaires. Hamas is an international billionaire playboy club. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #35

And yet i doubt that they would accept an agreement that required them to cede power al bupp Dec 2023 #37

Imagine if Europe took that POV with Hitler. MyNameIsJonas Dec 2023 #104

I'm sorry, but ... al bupp Jan 2024 #107

Not when you're dealing with a group whose stated purpose is exactly like Hitler's. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #108

Sir, your rude and insulting response only proves my point al bupp Jan 2024 #109

You've got to be kidding... this is your response to Hamas giving the middle finger to their own people? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #26

Nope. Not even a bit is accurate jimfields33 Dec 2023 #41

"occupied and invaded" EX500rider Dec 2023 #50

Germany and Japan surrendered at the end of WW2 Jose Garcia Dec 2023 #97

Guess they don't care about their own people mcar Dec 2023 #8

Hamas has gotten what they planned for and hoped, they will not accept any peace terms andym Dec 2023 #12

And Netanyahu FELL right into their hands and their plans. Stupid, just fucking stupid, Bibi. It was TeamProg Dec 2023 #21

It was indeed a trap set for Netanyahu and Israel based upon their historical responses and stated policies. NT. andym Dec 2023 #23

Once again, Hamas has rejected a cease fire. lapucelle Dec 2023 #28

And that is the reason it's ok for Hamas to keep rejecting truce proposals? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #29

Why would they accept a truce proposal? Eko Dec 2023 #36

That was one of my points. Hamas has no intention to act on behalf of or for the sake of Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #42

That's one point of view. Eko Dec 2023 #45

If they were at all concerned about Gaza civilians, they wouldn't have started this war in the first place. Eko Dec 2023 #46

I'm saying that Hamas wouldn't likely HAVE the power they do now had Netanyahu NOT propped them up over TeamProg Dec 2023 #43

Of course they would! Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #54

Wrong. If Netanyahu had supported Abbas and a Palestinian state, Hamas would not have the influence they TeamProg Dec 2023 #56

So where was I wrong? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #57

And what was choice B for Israel after 10/7? EX500rider Dec 2023 #52

Not bomb civilians. Eko Dec 2023 #53

So do nothing I guess? EX500rider Dec 2023 #55

I never said do nothing. Eko Dec 2023 #58

The US was fighting 3,000 to 4,000 terrorists, not 40,000 with a extensive tunnel network EX500rider Dec 2023 #59

You do realize that there are different cities in Gaza? Eko Dec 2023 #60

Don't know the number but I imagine the majority of them were EX500rider Dec 2023 #61

Well, you can imagine what you want but that doesnt help your argument here at all. Eko Dec 2023 #62

Unless you have numbers you are just guessing also EX500rider Dec 2023 #63

It would be SOP not to have the majority of your forces in one place. That includes one city. Eko Dec 2023 #64

I doubt they are the commuting to work types EX500rider Dec 2023 #67

And most of them lived in Gaza city? Eko Dec 2023 #69

If that is the heaviest populated city in Gaza I would assume so EX500rider Dec 2023 #71

Yeah, you are assuming. Eko Dec 2023 #72

Usually the bigger the city the more important it is EX500rider Dec 2023 #75

How many military people do we have in NY city? Eko Dec 2023 #77

The US military has actual military bases our troops are at, I imagine during a invasion it would have a lot EX500rider Dec 2023 #78

For many, many reasons you are wrong. Eko Dec 2023 #80

Very rare to give up a capital/large city without a fight EX500rider Dec 2023 #82

But that is not what you are talking about is it? Eko Dec 2023 #83

Hamas is way to cowardly to fight in the open, and they have low mobility EX500rider Dec 2023 #85

I would recommend looking into guerilla warfare. Eko Dec 2023 #87

You are talking about guerilla warfare as it applies with room to hide and mountains & woods to hide in EX500rider Dec 2023 #89

I said with our special forces and elite soldiers Eko Dec 2023 #91

Even our specisl forces wouldn't do it much different EX500rider Dec 2023 #92

Even the dune buggy's that the SF use can carry much more firepower than those motorcycles can. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #93

Lets further this "most of Hamas" were in Gaza city. Eko Dec 2023 #65

I assume they left in tunnels EX500rider Dec 2023 #66

What corner? Eko Dec 2023 #68

As the IDF advances south they will destroy the tunnels as they go EX500rider Dec 2023 #70

What about the tunnels they dont find? Eko Dec 2023 #73

I think what's left of Hamas will go underground of course EX500rider Dec 2023 #74

Who are going to be members of the new government? Eko Dec 2023 #79

I know if my government attacked a much more powerful neighbor... EX500rider Dec 2023 #94

'Permanent" ... What a joke! Hamas has promised to continue their terror attacks. keithbvadu2 Dec 2023 #30

Stand firm! Don't surrender! Prigozhin didn't. Kennah Dec 2023 #40

So it is about power and control republianmushroom Dec 2023 #48

So I read all 48 responses to the OP and not one moniss Dec 2023 #76

This news story has the details of the Egyptian plan. lapucelle Dec 2023 #81

That is more detail but unfortunately it just moniss Dec 2023 #84

I'm sure that the Egyptians will be sorry to hear that you are dismayed. lapucelle Dec 2023 #88

I'm unconcerned with moniss Dec 2023 #90

There was already a ceasefire and exchange process in place TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #96

I don't think you understood my moniss Dec 2023 #98

Putting the futile blame game aside for a second . . . Aussie105 Dec 2023 #86

The Egyptian proposal was not a "futile blame game". lapucelle Dec 2023 #100

Of course the GD Butchers of HAMAS Won't Agree Cha Dec 2023 #99

Thank you Cha for being an outspoken advocate for the crimes of Hamas. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #101

You're Welcome, MCE... Cha Dec 2023 #102

Ditto. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #103

🕯️🕊️💙🌊🏝️🌈 Cha Dec 2023 #105