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Ramsey Barner

(669 posts) Sun Aug 11, 2024, 03:41 PM Aug 2024

Hamas says it won't take part in Gaza hostage-ceasefire deal talks [View all]

Source: Axios

Hamas announced on Sunday that it rejects the invitation by the U.S., Qatar and Egypt for a final round of negotiations over the Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal planned for Thursday.

Hamas' announcement is a significant setback for the Biden administration's efforts to reach a hostage and ceasefire deal and prevent the Gaza conflict from escalating into a regional war.

In a statement, Hamas claimed several reasons for its decision: the new conditions and demands presented recently by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli assassination of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh and recent Israeli airstrikes in Gaza that killed dozens of Palestinians, many of them civilians.

A senior Israeli official involved in the negotiations claimed Hamas' statement is "a tactical move ahead of a possible attack by Iran and Hezbollah and in an attempt to get better terms for the deal." The official added: "If Hamas won't come to the table, we will continue decimating their forces in Gaza."

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/08/11/gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-hamas-talks

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Hamas says it won't take part in Gaza hostage-ceasefire deal talks [View all] Ramsey Barner Aug 2024 OP

No sh*t, sherlock. elleng Aug 2024 #1

They are the worst characters in this from day one. jimfields33 Aug 2024 #77

Yeah, that's about what we'd expect from a terrorist regime. Orrex Aug 2024 #2

Israel? AloeVera Aug 2024 #8

Educate yourself elias7 Aug 2024 #9

Lol. N/T AloeVera Aug 2024 #13

We have. That's why we don't support the genocidal far right regime. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #17

Some folks can't even admit Israel broke the last truce ColinC Aug 2024 #19

Yeah, those folks include Israel, Hamas and the UN, among many others. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #84

Sans the UN and Hamas, you are right. ColinC Aug 2024 #88

We did indeed cover the topic ad nauseum. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #89

Thankfully I am not. ColinC Aug 2024 #92

So your authority is Hamas? Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #97

I was disputing your claim that Hamas doesn't think Israel broke the ceasefire. ColinC Aug 2024 #98

I appreciate your olive branch, but not at the expense of accepting a faulty argument. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #101

"...prior to its designated expiration" ColinC Aug 2024 #102

That's the period of time in question, isn't it? Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #104

Sort of. I think the situation is fairly complicated. ColinC Aug 2024 #106

Awww, you shouldn't be so hard on HAMAs, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #20

What does Canada have to do with this? NT BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #31

Every country has an interest in preventing genocide. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #34

Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #40

And you're in for a short stay here. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #42

The global community rejects your genocide of First Nations. NT BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #44

The global community rejects the far right Israeli governments' genocide against it's neighbours. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #45

The Canadian flag is that member's avatar. ShazzieB Aug 2024 #62

No one supports a genocidal regime, although those who support Hamas make me wonder elias7 Aug 2024 #81

Israel is accused of genocide because that's what they've been doing. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #82

I disagree. How are you defining genocide? What time frame are you using? elias7 Aug 2024 #113

Yes you can accuse the far right Israeli government of genocide as they've been caught doing it. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #114

Good advice. But I think it's too late. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #149

Very funny. 🙄 ShazzieB Aug 2024 #56

I don't know if you are aware... AloeVera Aug 2024 #122

Did I hear correctly? Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #135

You are quite wrong. Again. AloeVera Aug 2024 #136

I am quite not wrong, as your excerpts in post 133 and 134 clearly show: Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #148

Someone doesn't want Cease Fire Now. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #3

Israel BROKE the last ceasefire ColinC Aug 2024 #4

Israel DIDN'T BREAK the last ceasefire. Resumption of hostilitiees is what happens when cease fires expire. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #5

I literally just cited a credible source (The UN) showing they broke it ColinC Aug 2024 #6

You didn't even figuratively cite a credible source. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #7

Don't you know that facts don't matter when it comes to Israel? nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #11

I am so naive. I keep reacting to this as if it is something that shouldn't be tolerated. So behind the times! Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #14

The truce expired on Dec 1. ColinC Aug 2024 #18

I noticed that you left this part out. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #21

I notice you left out that was after the shelling Israel conducted on Nov 30 ColinC Aug 2024 #26

Thank you, was about to post the same thing. AloeVera Aug 2024 #24

"If Israel does it it's okay" ColinC Aug 2024 #28

Expiration of truce: Dec 1. Shelling and killing: November 29 and 30 ColinC Aug 2024 #16

You are not reading the sources Al Jazeera cites either. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #22

You are playing fast and loose with the truth ColinC Aug 2024 #23

You didn't read the part of the OCHA report I bolded either, didja? Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #25

You seem to think that report you boldened supports your claims, but it doesn't. ColinC Aug 2024 #27

I only have one claim: the cease fire you claim was violated, was not violated. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #32

"minutes after the truce expired" elias7 Aug 2024 #10

The truce expired on December 1. The shelling and killing began November 29 and 30. ColinC Aug 2024 #15

There was no shelling reported. The circumstances of the shooting remain unclear. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #33

From your post above: ColinC Aug 2024 #36

My mistake. There were reports of killing without shelling, and reports of shelling without casualties. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #38

It changes it entirely. Shelling of any kind is violating the ceasefire ColinC Aug 2024 #39

No it does not. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #48

A "ceasefire" means "ceasing fire" ColinC Aug 2024 #53

The US Department of State says Hamas broke the ceasefire. lapucelle Aug 2024 #60

Respectfully ColinC Aug 2024 #61

Oh. So you're calling Antony Blinken a liar? ShazzieB Aug 2024 #64

No. ColinC Aug 2024 #69

Same difference. ShazzieB Aug 2024 #74

You think that the UN is more credible than the US Department of State? lapucelle Aug 2024 #68

So do I. ShazzieB Aug 2024 #73

I think the UN is less partial than the United States ColinC Aug 2024 #78

The US delegation (among other Western democracies) has called out the UN for NOT being impartial. lapucelle Aug 2024 #90

I appreciate the resources you are sharing and plan to look at them in the near future. ColinC Aug 2024 #94

Thank you for that. lapucelle Aug 2024 #96

My advice is to take whatever Qatari state media publishes with a large grain of salt lapucelle Aug 2024 #91

Al Jazeera is funded in part by the Qatari government but is a largely independent news organization. ColinC Aug 2024 #93

Al Jazeera is Qatari state media and an unreliable narrator. lapucelle Aug 2024 #95

"I think the UN is less partial than the United States" That's funny! EX500rider Aug 2024 #137

Thanks!! ColinC Aug 2024 #138

Also do you have a link to the study or a article you are referencing? ColinC Aug 2024 #139

here: EX500rider Aug 2024 #146

Now That No. 61 You Posted Above, Sir, That Is Some Serious Bullshit The Magistrate Aug 2024 #151

That's what their genocide enablers claim at least. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #83

So, let me get this straight... Happy Hoosier Aug 2024 #46

Perhaps you can't blame somebody who doesn't want to negotiate with people who have proven not to be reliable ColinC Aug 2024 #52

Such as Hamas? Happy Hoosier Aug 2024 #70

I stand against Netanyahu AND Hamas. You should stand against them too. ColinC Aug 2024 #72

Hamas broke the ceasefire. lapucelle Aug 2024 #58

This is different BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #30

the far right israli government claims a lot of things that aren't so canuckledragger Aug 2024 #35

The far right Hamas murderers deserve no quarter. NT BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #41

Neither does the genocidal far right Isreali government. canuckledragger Aug 2024 #43

Yep. . .Hamas is innocent and pure. Israel is evil. If they didn't exist, there'd be no problems. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2024 #86

Well, this is just a TOTAL shock. AloeVera Aug 2024 #12

How dare Israel fight back! Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #29

Yes. Yes it is. AloeVera Aug 2024 #47

If you missed the snark, which I doubt, I was referring to the passage immediately preceding it. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #51

I was having fun with you. AloeVera Aug 2024 #54

You have a rather strange and quite self-deprecating notion of what fun is. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #71

Oh ok. AloeVera Aug 2024 #76

Ismail Haniyeh was no moderate JohnSJ Aug 2024 #37

I agree. That'w why the air quotes. AloeVera Aug 2024 #49

Oh and I just saw your "obscene" comment. AloeVera Aug 2024 #50

That is what the sarcasm tag is for. Sorry that I am so dense and cannot JohnSJ Aug 2024 #63

All right. Point taken. AloeVera Aug 2024 #66

I was referring to the comment as obscene. I would never call a fellow DUer as JohnSJ Aug 2024 #67

I really appreciate that. AloeVera Aug 2024 #75

I apologize too. AloeVera Aug 2024 #79

FFS iemanja Aug 2024 #55

Don't wonder. AloeVera Aug 2024 #109

Any negotiations are nothing but PR moniss Aug 2024 #57

Naturally. They don't want peace. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #59

Kind of hard to trust the people who killed your last chief negotiator AloeVera Aug 2024 #65

Poor Hamas! The terrorist in charge of "negotiating" is dead, and his replacement is scared lapucelle Aug 2024 #100

Joke all you want. Dismiss the blatant, successful sabotage. AloeVera Aug 2024 #103

Eliminating the terrorist leaders responsible for October 7 lapucelle Aug 2024 #105

Thank you for making my point. AloeVera Aug 2024 #107

So your point is that terrorist Haniyah was superior to terrorist Sinwar lapucelle Aug 2024 #110

I do not care to argue about the comparative evil of 2 men. AloeVera Aug 2024 #111

It was you who introduced the topic of the comparative evil of dead terrorist Haniyah lapucelle Aug 2024 #112

Again, I only care about the impact on the Palestinian people. AloeVera Aug 2024 #115

Hamas has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't care about the impact of the war on Gazans. lapucelle Aug 2024 #116

Hate to break it to you, but Hamas did accept it. AloeVera Aug 2024 #119

What are you talking about? lapucelle Aug 2024 #125

You are behind the times. By two months. AloeVera Aug 2024 #126

What are you talking about? Has the Biden administration changed its position lapucelle Aug 2024 #128

And anyone claiming "Google is your friend" lapucelle Aug 2024 #130

And Hamas doesn't want to move forward with "Biden's framework". lapucelle Aug 2024 #127

Now you're 3 months behind. AloeVera Aug 2024 #134

August 8, 2024 BBC News: "Israel Accepts Proposal to attend 'urgent' new ceasefire talks" lapucelle Aug 2024 #140

And the analogy is offensive. lapucelle Aug 2024 #117

Is there a difference between a terrorist org and a terrorist state? AloeVera Aug 2024 #121

What are you even talking about at this point? lapucelle Aug 2024 #123

John Kirby understands that Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. lapucelle Aug 2024 #118

Even John Kirby can't see into the future. AloeVera Aug 2024 #120

What John Kirby said was true then and is true now, and the US Department of State has reiterated its position lapucelle Aug 2024 #124

They have already said their goal is to commit more terrorism and kill more Jews. keithbvadu2 Aug 2024 #80

K&R betsuni Aug 2024 #85

Of course, this is Israel's fault 100%. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2024 #87

Perhaps Hamas is not participating because terrorist Haniyah is dead and terrorist Sinwar is hiding. lapucelle Aug 2024 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Aug 2024 #108

Interest on a ceasefire... Mike Nelson Aug 2024 #129

Boty Netanyahu and Hamas wants no peace kansasobama Aug 2024 #131

At this point JustAnotherGen Aug 2024 #132

This O/P omits the important part. AloeVera Aug 2024 #133

The terrorists want their secret counterpropsal to be the starting point of negotiations? lapucelle Aug 2024 #141

If you could just put aside your interest in Haniyeh's dress and grooming habits for a moment, and listen. AloeVera Aug 2024 #143

Haniyah was an interesting study in billionaire terrorists, lapucelle Aug 2024 #144

Folks plaintively whining on *social media* about the Hamas point of view lapucelle Aug 2024 #145

Wtf are you talking about? AloeVera Aug 2024 #150

What on earth are you talking about? lapucelle Aug 2024 #153

Ah, the art of plausible denial. AloeVera Aug 2024 #156

Touched A Nerve, Did She? The Magistrate Aug 2024 #154

Ah, you gave away the plot there. AloeVera Aug 2024 #155

It Was An Observation On the Content Of Your Posts, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2024 #157

Yeah, sure. AloeVera Aug 2024 #158

Speaking of losing an argument gracelessly. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #159

You're Getting Pretty Deep Into 'Hit Hog Hollers' Territory, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2024 #160

I am enjoying my chamomile tea, not crying into it. AloeVera Aug 2024 #163

Your Nobility Moves Me To Such a Degree That ... Words Fail Me... The Magistrate Aug 2024 #164

Is something bothering you? AloeVera Aug 2024 #165

'The Bleatin' O' the Kid Incites The Tyger' The Magistrate Aug 2024 #166

It's been edited. lapucelle Aug 2024 #161

Ah, Well: As My Daughter Used to Say 'It's All Fun Till Someone Pokes Their Eye Out --- Then It's Hilarious! The Magistrate Aug 2024 #162

"If you truly want peace, you do not insist that there can be no peace until your enemy is absolutely destroyed" EX500rider Aug 2024 #147

Unfortunately, there are stalwart defenders of the Hamas point of view lapucelle Aug 2024 #142

Palestinians have a Hamas problem kansasobama Aug 2024 #152