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Emrys

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29. A previous draft had clauses effectively giving the US control over who could make use of the resources,
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 10:47 PM
Feb 2025

basically for ever. I don't know whether that would be adjusted in a later draft, but it would make it far less than a good deal whatever the quid pro quo is. And the idea that Trump would grant "fair market value" when he thinks he holds all the cards in any deal would be a novelty. Trump still insists the US has given a lot more aid than it actually has, and claimed today that the EU's aid was in the form of loans, which is, predictably, a lie.

We don't even know the scope of the resources being haggled over, let alone any monetary value. I doubt very much that Trump knows anything about strategic minerals, other than his having been told by Lindsey Graham they could be quite lucrative.

Ukraine does have not insignificant amounts of strategic minerals under its territory, not to mention the territory Russia's tried to grab in the east, where some of the heaviest lodes are believed to be for some of the minerals. But the economic feasibility of extracting them is another matter. That could have been a lever to get Trump to make some effort to get Russia out of the east, but with his hoped-for relationship with Putin, he's probably seek to do a deal with them as well.

At the moment, I could see Zelensky weighing this all up saying "fuck it" and going for a deal, but it has to guarantee the Ukrainians something meaningful in terms of future security. What's that saying about "Fool me once ..."? One problem is, if the Trumpians win that concession, what more are they going to start asking for?

Meanwhile, it makes the Trump administration look unspeakably tawdry and moneygrubbing. Trump may not care, but it may come back and bite him and them in ass one day.

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And Russia? Lovie777 Feb 2025 #1
I will paraphrase the rest of the story NJCher Feb 2025 #5
No they are not. Ukraine is not so stupid as to comply with the Orange King NotHardly Feb 2025 #34
Mineral Rights bromeando Feb 2025 #2
That and fair market value as well as U.S. support to help them join NATO. cstanleytech Feb 2025 #4
where are you getting this? NJCher Feb 2025 #6
Providing they are getting fair market value and a further agreement to repel the Russian invaders I'm ok with it. cstanleytech Feb 2025 #3
A previous draft had clauses effectively giving the US control over who could make use of the resources, Emrys Feb 2025 #29
Does Ukraine recoup their lands? Lovie777 Feb 2025 #7
TSF"s words are meaningless. I will await bronxiteforever Feb 2025 #8
AGREE! Why would anybody trust these traitors? bluestarone Feb 2025 #10
The update to the story makes this very unclear bronxiteforever Feb 2025 #15
Here's from a story published by WSJ an hour ago, around 5 p.m. NJCher Feb 2025 #9
"The key is to work out the details." BeyondGeography Feb 2025 #11
ahhh NJCher Feb 2025 #12
Because ManBaby needs a win BeyondGeography Feb 2025 #16
He's still a loser no matter what he gets from Ukraine Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2025 #33
That timing is weird and concerning with a Putin bronxiteforever Feb 2025 #17
So contracts can be given to Trump connected people JI7 Feb 2025 #20
NATO and EU support.... Lovie777 Feb 2025 #13
First demands were worse than the Treaty of Versailles CNYHarris Feb 2025 #14
"I told you to investigate Biden. Now you have to pay." Marcuse Feb 2025 #18
update NJCher Feb 2025 #19
We've given a total of $69.2B in aid to Ukraine since 2014 William Seger Feb 2025 #21
This is a travesty. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Feb 2025 #22
Blackmail is still blackmail............ turbinetree Feb 2025 #23
just checked for updates NJCher Feb 2025 #24
I know Ukraine is sick to death of this war, Bayard Feb 2025 #25
Interesting .... from the article: Diamond_Dog Feb 2025 #26
Have Ukraine admitted in NATO and then sign, if they must, but not until the ink is dry Deuxcents Feb 2025 #27
It would seem those rights would end if Russia were to take the country over. surfered Feb 2025 #28
If Trump walks away with Ukraine's resources, all that's going to do is embolden him. Karasu Feb 2025 #30
Bad Deal? FB47243 Feb 2025 #31
Missed your post and just posted the full NYT article here ... cliffside Feb 2025 #32
DON'T DO THIS ZELENSKY 4catsmom Feb 2025 #35
I hope they know whatever agreement dump gives them mdbl Feb 2025 #36
That's why they should agree to it and balk at it when it is convenient for Ukraine. Ray Bruns Feb 2025 #37
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