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69. You don't know that, slackmaster

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:32 PM

Feb 2013

You weren't there anymore than I was. Even as I cannot know that the shooting wasn't justified, neither can you know that is was. I'm not saying that this particular shooting wasn't justified - I have no way of knowing whether it was or wasn't. My point is that it's dangerous to automatically accept at face value, no questions asked, any claim that a shooter appropriately acted in self defense. If we do, what is to prevent someone from deciding "Hey, I wanna go shoot me some niggers - I'll just say I felt threatened, so shooting them was self-defense"? Taking another human being's life is a very big deal. Every time it happens, we should be looking at that decision critically and impartially and asking ourselves whether it was a necessary action. When it was, so be it; when it wasn't, we shouldn't be instinctively circling the wagons defending such an action.

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1 dead, 1 injured in shooting near Detroit high school [View all] michreject Feb 2013 OP

I grew up in that neighborhood as a child nt MrScorpio Feb 2013 #1

I use to go to a Bar in that neighborhood michreject Feb 2013 #3

"They were comin' right for me!!" Robb Feb 2013 #2

Where did the Quote come from? michreject Feb 2013 #4

South Park Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #6

Sounds like they were. Archae Feb 2013 #5

Die, of course michreject Feb 2013 #7

Right now we have one dead 16 year-old and a 15 year-old in the hospital. Robb Feb 2013 #8

The shooter was breaking the law michreject Feb 2013 #10

Do you have more info than the link provides? bluedigger Feb 2013 #13

here is local news link raidert05 Feb 2013 #15

A 70 year-old reserve officer? Robb Feb 2013 #19

Hell raidert05 Feb 2013 #22

what, you saying old people can't do stuff snooper2 Feb 2013 #58

IIRC I read you had to be in the reserves before you'd be considered for a regular cop job. Robb Feb 2013 #59

I have no idea and I'm too lazy to google it right now snooper2 Feb 2013 #60

He was the coach of a girls basketball team michreject Feb 2013 #16

Okay, thanks. bluedigger Feb 2013 #20

You are wrong. It was caught on school surveillance video. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #74

Indeed, it was caught on video. Robb Feb 2013 #80

He could have handed over his wallet Nevernose Feb 2013 #25

The kid could have not robbed him Recursion Feb 2013 #28

Last time I checked... primavera Feb 2013 #61

Nor is it; this wasn't an execution (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #62

I'm sure the dead kid's family will appreciate the distinction - n/t primavera Feb 2013 #64

What? Socal31 Feb 2013 #33

The question asked was Nevernose Feb 2013 #41

With no guarantee that those teens wouldn't have shot him anyway. nick of time Feb 2013 #45

And no guarantee that those teens would have shot him primavera Feb 2013 #63

The teens put a gun to his chest. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #75

But, in the end, they did not shoot him. If he'd handed over his wallet, they would have likely left Hoyt Feb 2013 #77

Yeah c,mon give us a break here Populist_Prole Feb 2013 #34

Giving up the wallet doesn't always guarantee that the victim gets off without tblue37 Feb 2013 #35

There was no guarantee the thugs wouldn't have killed him if he had cooperated slackmaster Feb 2013 #43

And now we'll never know, will we? primavera Feb 2013 #65

"Necessary" or not, according to the laws we all live under it was justifiable slackmaster Feb 2013 #66

You don't know that, slackmaster primavera Feb 2013 #69

Yes, it's a very big deal. I'm sure the coach understands that. slackmaster Feb 2013 #70

I guess I'm just reacting... primavera Feb 2013 #71

Everybody involved was black, so you put the racism charge away. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #76

Hand over his wallet, then call the cops.... reACTIONary Feb 2013 #52

Well... umm... they seem to have been, no? (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #29

And so it starts again. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #9

What starts again? nt michreject Feb 2013 #11

What's that? (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #30

Recursion slackmaster Feb 2013 #44

What's that? (nt) Recursion Feb 2013 #46

That for which an understanding requires an understanding of... slackmaster Feb 2013 #47

So far, sounds like a good case of self defense. nick of time Feb 2013 #12

It seems like he was escorting one of the girls to a bus stop michreject Feb 2013 #14

Thanks for the info. nick of time Feb 2013 #18

The surviving teen will probably be charged with Murder formercia Feb 2013 #21

Rightly so. nick of time Feb 2013 #23

Justifiable Homicide. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #31

Felony Murder was abolished in Michigan in 1980 happyslug Feb 2013 #50

another link raidert05 Feb 2013 #17

and that ain't the only one... farminator3000 Feb 2013 #24

Don't rob people. You might get shot. Recursion Feb 2013 #26

Infuriatingly, VPC will still count this as a "child killed by gun violence" Recursion Feb 2013 #27

I hope someone from area updates us... ReRe Feb 2013 #32

One threatened him with a gun. This is from the article: tblue37 Feb 2013 #36

Thanks... ReRe Feb 2013 #48

Coach held for questioning in fatal shooting Robb Feb 2013 #37

He's not under arrest nick of time Feb 2013 #38

There's a lot of gun defense news ...just not on DU. n/t L0oniX Feb 2013 #39

Message auto-removed zigzag75 Feb 2013 #40

The young hoodlums chose poorly slackmaster Feb 2013 #42

Report: No Guns Found (except the shooter's) Robb Feb 2013 #49

If he said one had a gun, and niether had anything that even resembles one....... Socal31 Feb 2013 #54

Warrant request submitted for possible charges against the coach Robb Feb 2013 #55

Police almost always want an arrest, it takes the pressure off of them. Socal31 Feb 2013 #57

Police say coach is victim GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #79

If only everyone had had their hands amputated and replaced with guns, valerief Feb 2013 #51

I suspect that some of the people Dan Feb 2013 #53

UPDATE: "Did 70-year-old coach use excessive force in MLK High School shootings?" Robb Feb 2013 #56

I don't know the specifics of Michigan law, but in most states there is no requirement for parity... slackmaster Feb 2013 #67

Nice backtrack from your unrestrained enthusiasm for this shooting in #42 above. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #68

The Wayne County prosecutor needs to study this from all angles ... JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2013 #72

"Reply #42 will be up held" - as if this is some kind of legal proceeding we're conducting here. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #73

2 young men threatening a 70 year old Blandocyte Feb 2013 #78

UPDATE: No mention of finding youth's gun in police report, only one warrant request Robb Feb 2013 #81