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CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
5. The phrase " in the wake of a major victory regarding gun control."
Sat May 4, 2013, 11:20 AM
May 2013

Context, please: The Manchin-Toomey bill for background checks failed a cloture vote, which means that there weren't 60 votes to proceed to a general vote. A majority of the Senate did support cloture.

Most news stories don't report those details, citing it simply as proof of a victory for the NRA (their word, not mine) and the death (again, their word) of gun control.

I agree it's a setback, but any declaration that any legislativeissue is forever settled is premature. There's a great deal of this in the press and in online fora, but it's still a mistake, a slanting of things, etc.

The unadorned Senate site version of things, including a breakdown of votes, is available at the link.

[url]http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00097[/url]


U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 113th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Manchin Amdt. No. 715 )
Vote Number: 97 Vote Date: April 17, 2013, 04:04 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 715 to S. 649 (Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of2013)
Statement of Purpose: To protect Second Amendment rights, ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and provide a responsible and consistent background check process.

Vote Counts: YEAs 54
NAYs 46


Note particularly the figure "required for majority" versus the number of yea votes. This is another case where the filibuster, or rather the threat of it, was used to thwart the will of the majority.

Here he is... CurtEastPoint May 2013 #1
Heart attack ... GeorgeGist May 2013 #7
I don't want to wait long. graegoyle May 2013 #17
Does he have a porter to carry his guns? TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #13
He had it mounted on his rascal scooter. name not needed May 2013 #24
Translation: WHITE POWER! nt onehandle May 2013 #2
Exactly. Racism and guns -- the relationship continues. These people are despicable. Hoyt May 2013 #4
It's all part of the same package. baldguy May 2013 #11
Extreme Dog Whistle Language ThoughtCriminal May 2013 #21
+1 /nt Ash_F May 2013 #32
What to think. I was told just this by DU's Gun Squad recently. Robb May 2013 #3
The phrase " in the wake of a major victory regarding gun control." CBHagman May 2013 #5
Many In The News Media (MSM) DallasNE May 2013 #16
And here's where I bring up "Just another failed president?" headline from... CBHagman May 2013 #27
NRA/KKK atreides1 May 2013 #6
Sure appears that way. Hoyt May 2013 #26
And don't forget their Iliyah May 2013 #8
Ah, Carnival Cruz. Promises much, delivers shit. aquart May 2013 #28
Keep it up NRA guys .... Botany May 2013 #9
Isn't Nugent dead or in jail? n/t savalez May 2013 #18
4/17/13 was his expiration date Botany May 2013 #29
This Porter guy calls the Civil War Progressive dog May 2013 #10
What a giant step backward AlbertCat May 2013 #12
"Culture War" Has Meant Many Different Things Over The Years DallasNE May 2013 #14
THIS is the REAL reason these wackos want all the guns they can get. pangaia May 2013 #22
They are the 'protectors' all right. blackspade May 2013 #15
true words from the NRA gang that rose up, hand in hand with the KKK. same old shit. Sunlei May 2013 #19
But....But....the NRA is a SINGLE-ISSUE ORGANIZATION. Paladin May 2013 #20
correct azureblue May 2013 #23
Culture War? Or "The War on Culture"? (NT) reACTIONary May 2013 #25
More like a War On Spelling . . . hatrack May 2013 #30
for the love of gun otherone May 2013 #31
Both. Cute screen name, btw. nt onehandle May 2013 #33
Someone recently posted the question, "what makes a gun-nut?" LanternWaste May 2013 #34
Yeah, it's a culture war all right. Zoeisright May 2013 #35
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