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23. not forced

Sun Jul 7, 2013, 03:23 PM

Jul 2013

but financial penalties - no tax breaks for more than two kids unless adopted.

The good news is I believe the U.S. birth rate is dropping below the replacement level. I just grubbed around the web and the birth rate is 1-3 for almost every place except most of Africa, where it is much higher, but where I assume the mortality rate is very high:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

I am not understanding how this feeds into the projected large increase in world population I always hear about. Ex how is China's population increasing with a birth rate of 1.55?

So I looked it up, there is a delay before the population stabilizes and starts dropping, which is projected to happen for China. India, on the other hand, is breeding people like rabbits:

http://geography.about.com/od/chinamaps/a/China-One-Child-Policy-Facts.htm

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Female inmates sterilized in California prisons without approval [View all] Galraedia Jul 2013 OP

Sue the Governator and everyone from there on down Demeter Jul 2013 #1

Prison Drs. are the worst, they're only in it for easy money. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #2

There needs to be legislation that criminalizes the doctors performing it. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #33

WTF, they can't provide adequate medical care so they have to release prisoners Live and Learn Jul 2013 #3

"War Against The Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race" by jwirr Jul 2013 #4

If it wasn't for the rise of Hitler eugenics in the United States would have continued Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #6

Definitely not just the US - it was widely popular all over the place Posteritatis Jul 2013 #8

I'm very aware of the man on the street eugenics. My grandfather kept a diary and after he died Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #10

You're right ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #13

It's scary part is that if you look it is making huge in roads sadly I see more and more people Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #14

Yes, a longtime DU member promoted 'license to bear children' recently. closeupready Jul 2013 #15

It's the antithesis of what it means to be a progressive and a liberal Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #16

Exactly.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author RILib Jul 2013 #29

That is sad.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #35

that's nonsense RILib Jul 2013 #45

Nonsense right back at ya... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #48

do you care to back that up with some actual evidence? n/t eggplant Jul 2013 #70

I am with you Tumbulu Jul 2013 #60

The story was about taking the kids away. We already have a way of handling that situation. I jwirr Jul 2013 #82

Absolutely 100% correct. For a liberal, power rests with the PEOPLE, closeupready Jul 2013 #36

Funny how people who want population culls always want another group on the chopping block Posteritatis Jul 2013 #17

You are painting a lot of people with a very broad brush there. I'm WAY in favor of education loudsue Jul 2013 #31

I agree with you Loudsue. left on green only Jul 2013 #42

The earth is overpopulated... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #46

There.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #53

When anyone brings up overpopulation... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #57

thankyou for that! FandD appears to be a troll. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #59

Well maybe you should pay more attention befroe feeling the need to comment. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #64

My proposal?... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #68

Ironically, I benefitted from state sterilization mentality. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #7

In your case, think of it as a sample of what Universal Health Care would be like. RC Jul 2013 #12

Another factor in that scenario.... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #18

Reminds me of Jane Roe's story, alp227 Jul 2013 #78

My Grandmother shocked the whole family when she revealed she had had abortions dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #79

if you tried to read the comments section after this article, alp227 Jul 2013 #77

Heartbreaking think Jul 2013 #5

To be fair, I'm sure that one-percenters get forcibly sterilized all the time. Orrex Jul 2013 #9

Shout out to Orrex's sig line. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #47

Forced sterilizations, within the last decade? ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #11

Where does it say that they were forced? n/t whopis01 Jul 2013 #72

They were illegally coerced. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #80

I think EVERYONE should get sterilized after 2nd kid BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #20

not forced RILib Jul 2013 #23

financial penalities and incentives would be really good. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #25

But... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #28

who we are now is not who we were BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #32

It seems ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #37

Religious Browbeating. Fail. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #44

That one has typical republican... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #49

I have every right to dislike babies. You don't get to dictate. Troll. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #52

Another Logic Fail--putting words in my mouth that I did not say. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #58

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #61

Thank you for putting your bullshit so clearly on display. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #63

You know what they say... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #65

Welllll, that is going to HAVE to be your last word Kolesar Jul 2013 #67

Here is some religious browbeating for ya.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #55

so what? You're ascribing intentions to "The Creator" and attempting to strong-arm BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #62

Just because you have a right doesn't mean exercising it Ilsa Jul 2013 #50

thank you! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #56

Overpopulation is more of a potential issue in the developed world anyway, due to per capita nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #81

OK but that is not what happens with these programs. Ash_F Jul 2013 #34

Exactly.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #40

that's why I said "everybody" in caps. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #66

Extreme measures is an understatement Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #73

puke if you must.. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #74

Does the article say that anyone was forced into the procedure? Quantess Jul 2013 #21

article says they were coerced leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #24

but it also says that women refused it. definitely coersion involved but cali Jul 2013 #30

Oh sure, lets end the "cycle of dependence". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #22

"without required state approvals" Lasher Jul 2013 #26

Thank you, for reading the actual article. arcane1 Jul 2013 #27

I suspect journalistic ju-jitsu Lasher Jul 2013 #41

I agree. There are women Ilsa Jul 2013 #43

I care not one whit about "state approval" of medical procedures involving women's kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #38

That's messed up Ron Quixote Jul 2013 #39

most telling part of what I read tomm2thumbs Jul 2013 #51

I had clients in Alabama in the early '70s who had that done to them. Raven Jul 2013 #54

Offered free tubal ligation Tumbulu Jul 2013 #69

Wow, those doctors should have their licenses to practice stripped for life imo. nt cstanleytech Jul 2013 #71

For what? Sgent Jul 2013 #75

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