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39. I'm quite sure that's true, but let me share with you an idea I learned years ago

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:28 PM

Jul 2013

in political work:

You really can't stop your opponents from learning about what you do and how you do it. But make them work hard for their knowledge: don't just hand them the information. Whatever time they spend trying to figure it out is time they don't have for something else

The same principle applies to certain sorts of national security work in a democratic society. Democratic societies require significant transparency and openness, but they can also have real enemies. One compromise that serves the competing and contradictory needs here is to make sure that the information is available but that it is not packaged extremely conveniently

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Snowden Video Interview Part 2 Released: Edward Snowden: 'The US will say I aided our enemy [View all] frontier00 Jul 2013 OP

Well, telling them things about our security system is aiding the enemy liberal N proud Jul 2013 #1

i.m with you, well said. is he claiming this as another big revelation?!1 nt UTUSN Jul 2013 #2

Or doing just what the Declaration of Independence says is our Right. Gregorian Jul 2013 #4

oh huh Iliyah Jul 2013 #10

Haha. I really can't help myself. That's a laugh. Gregorian Jul 2013 #16

Clapper, that you? n/t Psephos Jul 2013 #17

Wow... thefool_wa Jul 2013 #36

Luckily for you, pal.... grasswire Jul 2013 #51

So you want to abolish our government... Agschmid Jul 2013 #38

Gee, that sounds alot like what the tea party has been trying to do. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #45

So he should have released the information in some sort of code only Americans understand? FreeBC Jul 2013 #8

Your OK with him running off to communist countries? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #43

The cold war is over dude. FreeBC Jul 2013 #48

They are still communist ahnd still looking to take down the US DUDE! liberal N proud Jul 2013 #49

You must be from an older generation FreeBC Jul 2013 #50

Are you telling me I don't belong on DU? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #56

No, but that opinion doesn't belong here. FreeBC Jul 2013 #59

But but he's hanging out with the Soviets! Paulie Jul 2013 #57

Results of the Alert Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #58

Oh there is no may, he isnt one pure and simple. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #47

Who is the enemy here? tinrobot Jul 2013 #13

Yes, it can be debated. Maedhros Jul 2013 #14

By the way, whom are our enemies that he's helping? xtraxritical Jul 2013 #19

One example - someone spoke of terrorists having used skype karynnj Jul 2013 #30

Why are all other nations your "enemy" ? Civilization2 Jul 2013 #21

Yes! That was Albert Einsteins position too. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #22

when did china become our enemy? frylock Jul 2013 #24

and he signed a document that told him he would be prosecuted with felony charges if he did that! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #27

I am rolling my eyes here nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #53

Do you feel more secure knowing these systems are in place? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #31

Did you read my message? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #41

Funny - pooh-pooh-ers say he's a traitor but also claim only naive expect privacy askeptic Jul 2013 #34

No apologies, the spying needs to stop, but Snowden is a traitor. liberal N proud Jul 2013 #40

If he had not done it christx30 Jul 2013 #35

There are other methods to get such things stopped. liberal N proud Jul 2013 #42

Yeah? Like what? christx30 Jul 2013 #52

We knew about it long ago. Amonester Jul 2013 #44

Yeah but those countries are "important trade partners", not enemies. Ash_F Jul 2013 #61

... Classified US National Security Agency maps leaked by Mr Snowden and published struggle4progress Jul 2013 #3

Use google... kirby Jul 2013 #37

I'm quite sure that's true, but let me share with you an idea I learned years ago struggle4progress Jul 2013 #39

Isn't that just security through obscurity? kirby Jul 2013 #60

Defending Snowden is defending our Constitution against it's enemies. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #5

No the existence of the surveillance state aids our enemies. It gives them moral authority totodeinhere Jul 2013 #6

So do the ends justify the means? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #28

totodeinhere. You are so right. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #32

you pissed off our friends and aided our enemies madrchsod Jul 2013 #7

Yup, his acts have likely ruined his life. FreeBC Jul 2013 #12

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #23

which enemies? frylock Jul 2013 #25

Why don't you ask Snowden that question? He is "quoted" as saying it. tridim Jul 2013 #26

sure. you have his contact info kplzthx? frylock Jul 2013 #29

Will be interesting to see how this might affect 2014 and 2016 candidates tomm2thumbs Jul 2013 #9

the problem is this has been going on before obama. madrchsod Jul 2013 #11

The struggle before us is not Democrat vs. Republican or Liberal vs. Conservative Maedhros Jul 2013 #15

In simplest terms, Us vs. Them. Psephos Jul 2013 #18

And as long as they continue to divide us im1013 Jul 2013 #33

Apparently his pre-emptively pointing it out invalidates it in his mind. Galraedia Jul 2013 #20

Watching Snowden's two interviews . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #46

I feel the same way. He is very clear and wellspoken Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #55

What a complete Dog and Pony Show!! Or should I say Glenn and Eddie? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #54