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Lugal Zaggesi

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133. "The nursing home says

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 10:29 PM

Jul 2013

they have never had a problem with the resident before and their thoughts are with his family."

http://www.kens5.com/news/95-year-old-man-dies-after-being-hit-by-Taser-bean-bags-217313441.html

You seem confused that nursing homes are given euphemisms in marketing materials - are your kids talking about sending you to an "assisted living facility" ?

"According to police, the 95-year old man was armed with a butcher knife" -
my point is, the paramedics and staff ONLY mentioned the cane and metal shoe horn - yet the police are the ones that wrote this report, after they tased/shot/killed the 95-year old - in which he picked up this threatening weapon. I guess the "butcher knife" was the old guy's backup weapon, easily reachable, in case the cane and shoe horn weren't intimidating enough, amirite ?

It's the written report that mentions the butcher knife - do you really think a paramedic is going to come forward because he heard on the news that Chicago cops fudged an after action report, in which a suspect DIED ? Are you kidding me ? Do you know anything about actual police ?

That's like giving 10 cops the finger then speeding away in a stolen car.

Do you have any idea what a 95-year old man looks like?

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Th1onein Jul 2013 OP

Those are not cops... those are pigs. Plain and simple. A cop would have been reasonable. n/t nebenaube Jul 2013 #1

We've got to find a better analogy... truth2power Jul 2013 #45

Well said. JimboBillyBubbaBob Jul 2013 #161

They are Fascist Criminals warrant46 Jul 2013 #175

My old pastor exboyfil Jul 2013 #2

And a lot of cops Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #4

Yay cops! Cops are great! Th1onein Jul 2013 #10

Ah, bullshit. cliffordu Jul 2013 #13

??? heaven05 Jul 2013 #41

You would think a 95 year old in great shape Jamastiene Jul 2013 #151

Alzheimers or other form of dementia exboyfil Jul 2013 #152

glad you're visiting your grandmother regularly, kudos wordpix Jul 2013 #168

All cops seem to be lunatics these days blackspade Jul 2013 #3

Yeah, the cop in Vegas that died trying to rescue a lost hiker dbackjon Jul 2013 #98

Cue the milk carting cop, someone, QUICK! Th1onein Jul 2013 #101

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #104

You obviously missed the point of my post.... blackspade Jul 2013 #146

Know how many Vegas cops have been murdered Nevernose Jul 2013 #163

Being in an adjoining suburb I can tell you many of these cops... orbitalman Jul 2013 #5

Why did they have to "do" anything? He wasn't holding hostages, right? nolabear Jul 2013 #6

We can expect that they'll make up some story that they thought that he would hurt himself. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #51

Well, killing him certainly solved that problem. nolabear Jul 2013 #71

I Work RobinA Jul 2013 #93

cops out here undergroundpanther Jul 2013 #136

Fucking fucking fucking fucking PIGS. kath Jul 2013 #7

this is a case we hear about olddots Jul 2013 #8

I know. It's frightening. Th1onein Jul 2013 #9

New police motto: "To Protect And Serve Ourselves" burnodo Jul 2013 #11

Police are not required to protect citizens atreides1 Jul 2013 #32

How Would A 95 Year Old Man In A Nursing Home DallasNE Jul 2013 #12

Yeah but he had a shoe horn. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #15

If seems to be one of those after-the-fact knives. A drop knife. It is inconsistent with the AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #52

A 12 inch drop knife? A butcher knife? From a guy who lived in an apartment at an elderly MADem Jul 2013 #75

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #77

Terrorists are everywhere. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #55

+1000?????? Tom Ripley Jul 2013 #172

Hard to believe howicit Aug 2013 #185

There is no 95 year old man alive that I wouldn't defacto7 Jul 2013 #14

There are a tiny handful of martial arts masters in their 90s, but this was not one of those cases. Kennah Jul 2013 #18

Yeah, and they could be pretty good at it defacto7 Jul 2013 #22

My native Japanese Kendo Master is 72 years old and can mop the floor with anyone in our Dojo Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #34

Oh I'm sure. defacto7 Jul 2013 #65

??? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #70

Whoa! question mark is right! defacto7 Jul 2013 #86

Oh ok, I was totally at a loss what you were talking about Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #87

Well then, I wouldn't find any usefulness in Kendo myself. defacto7 Jul 2013 #88

heheh :) Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #90

pretty amazing! defacto7 Jul 2013 #103

Its one of the fastest martial arts. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #121

My 9 year old son does kendo. Bonobo Aug 2013 #186

Good lord 8th Dan? Is he in Japan or outside? Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #190

We live in Japan nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #191

Nice! Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #192

I think you're safe Kennah Jul 2013 #145

And he's TWENTY THREE YEARS younger than this man was. Th1onein Jul 2013 #120

Verne Gagne, the former wrestling champion.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2013 #154

The staff at his assisted living facility had called an ambulance to involuntarily commit him. MADem Jul 2013 #25

It doesn't appear there was much training, because if their was, I would think it would of involved midnight Jul 2013 #37

We don't know if that happened and it had no effect. MADem Jul 2013 #69

Our population is aging and needs qualified people who won't ramp up a situation into this midnight Jul 2013 #137

so heaven05 Jul 2013 #42

So...you're saying it was okay to let a crazy, violent man run around an elderly apartment MADem Jul 2013 #72

Maybe, maybe not. defacto7 Jul 2013 #67

I don't think they took the decision to make that 911 call lightly. MADem Jul 2013 #73

I can't say it enough; I fuckin' hate cops. n/t vaberella Jul 2013 #16

Please let your local PD know that you won't ever need their assistance dbackjon Jul 2013 #100

Will do! Considering I live in Harlem and I'm Black. It's pretty much a given. n/t vaberella Jul 2013 #162

Nothing has changed. The U.S. has always been this way. What a sad situation. :( tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #17

It's almost as though people in authority positions can sense the end is near, and they're scared. Kennah Jul 2013 #19

Hope these poor cops aren't so traumatized they need an 8 month paid vacation & permanent disability NBachers Jul 2013 #20

how absolutely tragic. n/t orleans Jul 2013 #21

Killing War Heroes who called accidentally hit 911, Shooting wheel chair guys armed with pencil laserhaas Jul 2013 #23

He was mentally ill; being 'involuntarily committed.' MADem Jul 2013 #24

And your point is what? blackspade Jul 2013 #35

My point is what I posted. Since you're acting like you know more than anyone here, how's about MADem Jul 2013 #68

Come on, now. tom_kelly Jul 2013 #74

And the ambulance crew couldn't subdue him. MADem Jul 2013 #76

For Starters RobinA Jul 2013 #94

My brother used to do that work, and it is certainly difficult. He sometimes came home MADem Jul 2013 #113

I could Have RobinA Jul 2013 #134

Angry MADem is Angry. blackspade Jul 2013 #99

Well, that's just not a helpful subject line, and as for "uninformed posts" MADem Jul 2013 #107

LOL! blackspade Jul 2013 #147

so heaven05 Jul 2013 #43

If the police wanted to "kill him!!!!" a bullet would have been more efficient. MADem Jul 2013 #64

beautiful on "out their way". So a 95 year old ran everyones patience out, heaven05 Jul 2013 #66

And you "know" this, how? That he ran "their" patience out? MADem Jul 2013 #80

like heaven05 Jul 2013 #82

I think the one doing the rationalizing here isn't me. MADem Jul 2013 #84

Okay heaven05 Jul 2013 #85

Well, that was quite the rant. Your kindness and compassion are noted! MADem Jul 2013 #110

Could be owing to "Toxic Masculinity" SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #26

I'm going to have to disagree with this, if those cops weren't such Nancy boys, Snake Plissken Jul 2013 #30

They were being "dicks", which is part of the description of "toxic masculinity". SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #83

Do we know that the police were male? nt MADem Jul 2013 #114

If you're debating the premise that many boys are raised to be dickish, SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #122

No. I'm not debating "dickish," I'm responding to "Toxic Masculinity." MADem Jul 2013 #125

Possibly you're not aware of this documentary that at it's heart is "toxic masculinity" SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #142

I was aware of it, thanks to your link in your previous post. MADem Jul 2013 #143

You are welcome. And thank you for . . . . SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #148

I had one just like that for almost 22 years. MADem Jul 2013 #149

I think I'd rather be stabbed by a 95 year old man trying to disarm him, than use a taser on him Snake Plissken Jul 2013 #27

That's what I was thinking. snort Jul 2013 #48

Seriously what is the point of all that fancy SWAT armor police forces get? /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #92

Well Obviuosly they don't trust it very much warrant46 Jul 2013 #176

Okay, cue the badge sniffers telling us it's only a select few bad apples Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #28

This is a big thing to me. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #29

that is the answer bcbink Jul 2013 #31

#1. as said upthread, this is assisted living NOT A NURSING HOME. #2. I know someone who does KittyWampus Jul 2013 #36

police heaven05 Jul 2013 #44

Police hatred - fUCKING DISGUSTING dbackjon Jul 2013 #102

evidently heaven05 Jul 2013 #108

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #111

right heaven05 Jul 2013 #115

And your anecdote is about a hospital not an assisted living facility. blackspade Jul 2013 #49

+1000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #50

Speaking as someone trying their best to cope with caring cstanleytech Jul 2013 #60

He dropped those, and picked up the knife, per the reports. MADem Jul 2013 #119

Ah, that clears it up a bit then. Thanks. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #124

+1000, my mom with Alzheimer's used to think people were out to do her/me in wordpix Jul 2013 #61

You have my sympathy and a cstanleytech Jul 2013 #91

thanks so much wordpix Jul 2013 #167

Thank You RobinA Jul 2013 #95

You don't have the story straight, I'm afraid. MADem Jul 2013 #116

Lethal force was indeed used against this poor man. DLevine Jul 2013 #132

I know they were doing an autopsy to determine cause of death. MADem Jul 2013 #138

Sorry, just saw your reply this a.m. DLevine Jul 2013 #156

So No waving, just shooting. blackspade Jul 2013 #150

Why didn't they just sit down and wait him out? Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #62

Why didn't the ambulance crew do that? They called the police, and they MADem Jul 2013 #118

you're the one who is "clueless" steely Jul 2013 #89

"people freaking out can't be gently restrained" so you agreed with the taser use that killed her? napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #127

They are going to come up with a story that they thought that he was a danger to himself. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #54

Yeah, this change in story happens often, it seems..... Th1onein Jul 2013 #123

The ambulance drivers thought he was a danger--that's why they called for the police. MADem Jul 2013 #144

How would you have gotten the knife away from that guy? MADem Jul 2013 #117

If I were on a police crew? napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #128

Aren't ambulance crews trained thusly? MADem Jul 2013 #130

No one said you had The Wizard Jul 2013 #33

They are not cops sorefeet Jul 2013 #38

there were many protocols that were violated during this confrontation madrchsod Jul 2013 #39

you're kidding heaven05 Jul 2013 #40

I worked in a nursing home.. earthbone Jul 2013 #46

You loaded a shotgun with Chocolate Chip Cookies? JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2013 #47

Jerky response Bozo tom_kelly Jul 2013 #78

Look at this closely Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #53

The size of the knife also magically transformed from one with a 7" blade to a 12' butcher knife. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #58

He was in his apartment. His apartment with a kitchen. MADem Jul 2013 #126

"The nursing home says Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #133

I live next door to a couple in their nineties. MADem Jul 2013 #139

The man in the photo Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #160

Good for your athelete. The woman I was talking about, who still works, MADem Jul 2013 #164

Your thinking is muddled Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #169

Your anecdote is NOT evidence, and my thinking is not "muddled," thank you very much. MADem Jul 2013 #170

LOL Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #179

I have no idea what you're LOLing about. MADem Aug 2013 #181

You need to read more closely Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #187

No I don't. MADem Aug 2013 #193

If you want to understand what you're reading... Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #195

No, I do not--and flashing pictures of right wing hate mongers is a helluva way for you to make your MADem Aug 2013 #196

He's an American that is quite content with being ignorant, gullible and confused. Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #197

No. I'm done with you. Go hang out with your ignorant, confused and gullible friend if you'd like. MADem Aug 2013 #198

was staying out of this one, but i was involved in a temporary detention order for a 92 loli phabay Aug 2013 #184

True Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #188

Cowards. What can be more cowardly than shooting a 95-year old with beanbags? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #56

The Long Ranger has better tactics. Lasso the dude to restrain him. L0oniX Jul 2013 #57

How did a cane and metal shoehorn suddenly change into a 12 inch butcher knife? cstanleytech Jul 2013 #59

Think they missed the episode from Longmire PatrynXX Jul 2013 #63

Study should be done on exactly how and who are being hired as cops these days. Bet ya can trace it glinda Jul 2013 #79

Agreed. It is a leadership problem. A leadership problem where they view the populace as the enemy AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #81

I agree. It is top down and who/what they are connected to. glinda Jul 2013 #165

Sad to say many police officers UglyGreed Jul 2013 #96

But we're talking about two vastly different skill sets here. Brigid Aug 2013 #194

I totally agree UglyGreed Aug 2013 #199

I hope the police ignore any calls for help you make dbackjon Jul 2013 #97

Personally, I make it a rule NOT to call the killers. Th1onein Jul 2013 #105

Disgusting. Americans put their lives on the line daily to protect us all dbackjon Jul 2013 #106

HEY! I bet you got that picture of the milk carting cop, doncha? Th1onein Jul 2013 #109

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #112

Medical examiner report riverwalker Jul 2013 #129

I hope the cops are proud of their handiwork. DLevine Jul 2013 #131

That's totally surprising Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #135

He probably could have been saved. MADem Jul 2013 #140

oh heaven05 Jul 2013 #158

You, again. Another invective-laden post directed at me. MADem Jul 2013 #171

okay heaven05 Jul 2013 #177

There are no words to describe how awful this is briankdinnj16 Jul 2013 #141

Didn't police tase a 5 year old a year or two ago too? Jamastiene Jul 2013 #153

Maybe. At a minimum, there was a 6-year old: AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Jul 2013 #157

Yes: 720 ILCS 5/ AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #166

Here we go again with the anti-cop nonsense from the peanut gallery. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #159

FFS! I've got one thing to say to that: HE WAS NINETY FIVE YEARS OLD! Th1onein Aug 2013 #182

my take on this fwiw steve2470 Jul 2013 #173

"We'll get more information eventually." NO, WE WON'T. Th1onein Jul 2013 #174

Did the cops high five each other? Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #178

Lets say he WAS armed with a knife Nevernose Aug 2013 #180

another of those new, for profit not-a real 'nursing home" with no proper trained staff. Sunlei Aug 2013 #183

It's hell to be old in the USA... tXr Aug 2013 #189